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Hell will freeze over before we get an international court. The US literally has a law on the books to invade the International Criminal Court in the Netherlan

by myohmy 5y ago

Hell will freeze over before we get an international court. The US literally has a law on the books to invade the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands if GWB is ever held trial for war crimes (wars of aggression have been a war crime since the end of WW2).

winstonewert 5y ago
Where can I read more about this?
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat... "In 2002, the U.S. Congress passed the American Service-Members' Protection Act (ASPA), which contained a number of provisions, including authorization of the President to "use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court""
  - vimacs2 5y ago
    As if anyone needed even more incentive to execute war criminals like pigs in a slaughter house.
consumer451 5y ago
While extremely significant, I don't think that's the only reason. It is possibly even worse and the blame sometimes even falls outside of US borders. We live in a world largely run by multinational corporations who would prefer to continue operating in a world devoid of multinational jurisprudence.
ren_engineer 5y ago
>The US literally has a law on the books laws can change, I'd personally love to see some of our politicians and military leadership get punished for lying to the American people and the damage they did to entire nations around the world. A lot of people my age feel the same, some of these people better hope they croak before a younger generation can hold them accountable
kmeisthax 5y ago
I'm not sure that's relevant, since the Hague Invasion Act[0] only applies to war crimes. There's all sorts of other cases in which the US is perfectly happy with other countries asserting jurisdiction over it's own citizens. The US has signed plenty of extradition treaties that allow other countries access to US citizens who commit acts which are crimes in both jurisdictions[1]. Furthermore, copyright is usually treated as a civil tort; and the US also has processes to domesticate and enforce foreign court orders under US jurisdiction should someone decide to play scofflaw. There's plenty of international cooperation that makes the whole concept of "jurisdiction ends at national borders" null and void. [0] Not the real name of the act, but this is funnier. [1] If you're curious, there are countries that object to criminal extradition. Notably, France considers French nationality to constitute immunity to any extradition treaty it signs. Though, they haven't promised to invade countries over it like the US did.
- wbl 5y ago
  The US does not enforce foreign libel judgements unless US courts would reach the same conclusions.

by myohmy 5y ago

winstonewert 5y ago

Where can I read more about this?

hutzlibu 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat... "In 2002, the U.S. Congress passed the American Service-Members' Protection Act (ASPA), which contained a number of provisions, including authorization of the President to "use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court""
- vimacs2 5y ago
  As if anyone needed even more incentive to execute war criminals like pigs in a slaughter house.

consumer451 5y ago

While extremely significant, I don't think that's the only reason. It is possibly even worse and the blame sometimes even falls outside of US borders. We live in a world largely run by multinational corporations who would prefer to continue operating in a world devoid of multinational jurisprudence.

ren_engineer 5y ago

>The US literally has a law on the books laws can change, I'd personally love to see some of our politicians and military leadership get punished for lying to the American people and the damage they did to entire nations around the world. A lot of people my age feel the same, some of these people better hope they croak before a younger generation can hold them accountable

kmeisthax 5y ago

I'm not sure that's relevant, since the Hague Invasion Act[0] only applies to war crimes. There's all sorts of other cases in which the US is perfectly happy with other countries asserting jurisdiction over it's own citizens. The US has signed plenty of extradition treaties that allow other countries access to US citizens who commit acts which are crimes in both jurisdictions[1]. Furthermore, copyright is usually treated as a civil tort; and the US also has processes to domesticate and enforce foreign court orders under US jurisdiction should someone decide to play scofflaw. There's plenty of international cooperation that makes the whole concept of "jurisdiction ends at national borders" null and void. [0] Not the real name of the act, but this is funnier. [1] If you're curious, there are countries that object to criminal extradition. Notably, France considers French nationality to constitute immunity to any extradition treaty it signs. Though, they haven't promised to invade countries over it like the US did.

wbl 5y ago
The US does not enforce foreign libel judgements unless US courts would reach the same conclusions.