> I mean, women were basically property at one point, with changing degrees of freedom. You might not get out of the house much, depending. Can we please stop

> I mean, women were basically property at one point, with changing degrees of freedom. You might not get out of the house much, depending. Can we please stop just repeating cliches that are not even obviously true? While certain countries certainly had these notions, this is not a universal. And even in cultures with strong 'female ownership', the picture you're painting is incredibly wrong. While women may be considered 'basically' property, they would constantly be socializing with one another. They would be out of their house often with other women and their children. The appearance of 'ownership' would only be from the vantage point of men. For example, looking at Middle Eastern society, it's completely false to say women don't get out of the house. Women have entire portions of the house to themselves, where they and their female friends can get together, talk, interact, and gossip without any interference from men, including their own husband. Today we are way more atomized. Many people work, watch TV, and sleep. That's sad. We used to spend most of our day with friends and family. Even the slaves would.