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Conservatives != conservative politicians != conservative donors. UBI is incredibly popular amongst conservatives, except for 2 particular groups: conservative

by yardie 5y ago

Conservatives != conservative politicians != conservative donors. UBI is incredibly popular amongst conservatives, except for 2 particular groups: conservative pols and their rich conservative donors.

jandrese 5y ago
There is a big contingent that believes UBI would only increase "laziness". How are you supposed to staff an incredibly shitty low paying job if people aren't literally starving? Offering more money or better working conditions is a nonstarter, they would rather just move the work offshore.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  Also a strong contingent that believes it makes poor macroeconomic sense as it simply increases inflation with no gains (but probable losses) in net societal standard of living.
  - kfprt 5y ago
    This is of course ridiculous. UBI money is much more likely to be spent increasing the velocity of money in the economy than if it were spent bailing out companies. It's very hard to run a consumer economy whilst making the consumers too poor to afford to spend much.
- what_is_orcas 5y ago
  I can't tell if this is satire, so I'll respond to it as though it is not. > How are you supposed to staff an incredibly shitty low paying job if people aren't literally starving? Why should anyone be forced to do that shitty of a job? Why can't the wage be increased and/or the quality of treatment be increased? > Offering more money or better working conditions is a nonstarter, they would rather just move the work offshore. This works for things like software developers, but not for the majority of food & service industry.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    > Why should anyone be forced to do that shitty of a job? Why can't the wage be increased and/or the quality of treatment be increased? Because if you did that we wouldn't have billionaires.
    - what_is_orcas 5y ago
      > Because if you did that we wouldn't have billionaires. that sounds like a good thing

by yardie 5y ago

jandrese 5y ago

There is a big contingent that believes UBI would only increase "laziness". How are you supposed to staff an incredibly shitty low paying job if people aren't literally starving? Offering more money or better working conditions is a nonstarter, they would rather just move the work offshore.

mythrwy 5y ago
Also a strong contingent that believes it makes poor macroeconomic sense as it simply increases inflation with no gains (but probable losses) in net societal standard of living.
- kfprt 5y ago
  This is of course ridiculous. UBI money is much more likely to be spent increasing the velocity of money in the economy than if it were spent bailing out companies. It's very hard to run a consumer economy whilst making the consumers too poor to afford to spend much.
what_is_orcas 5y ago
I can't tell if this is satire, so I'll respond to it as though it is not. > How are you supposed to staff an incredibly shitty low paying job if people aren't literally starving? Why should anyone be forced to do that shitty of a job? Why can't the wage be increased and/or the quality of treatment be increased? > Offering more money or better working conditions is a nonstarter, they would rather just move the work offshore. This works for things like software developers, but not for the majority of food & service industry.
- jandrese 5y ago
  > Why should anyone be forced to do that shitty of a job? Why can't the wage be increased and/or the quality of treatment be increased? Because if you did that we wouldn't have billionaires.
  - what_is_orcas 5y ago
    > Because if you did that we wouldn't have billionaires. that sounds like a good thing