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As I'm understanding it, the cheating is to communicate within the bidding system in a way that isn't written down to be disclosed to your opponents. Is that w

As I'm understanding it, the cheating is to communicate within the bidding system in a way that isn't written down to be disclosed to your opponents. Is that what you're referring to and what the tournament players are doing? If so then I misunderstood, yeah. But how is it possible to avoid that? You can't possibly write down every possible bid and its meaning in relation to every possible bidding sequence (the history matters; bids have different meaning in relation to previous bids, particularly if the opponents intervened at any point.) There always has to be some amount of heuristics and intuition to determine what your partner is trying to indicate. Are the bidding conventions expected to disclose all possible heuristic paths? Like, think about a cue bid to show an ace, as an example. Are you expected to formally write down exhaustive rules saying when you treat a bid as a cue bid as opposed to trying to find a fit in that suit? Can the disclosure be more like "it's a cue bid if we think we already found our trump suit" without saying exactly what fulfills the latter condition?

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> As I'm understanding it, the cheating is to communicate within the bidding system in a way that isn't written down to be disclosed to your opponents. Is that what you're referring to and what the tournament players are doing? Is that what I'm referring to? Yes. I have deep philosophical differences with this approach, it was specifically described in my parent comment, and I responded to that. Is that the form of cheating being described here? No. The cheating here is much, much stupider: it involves online bridge tournaments in which any random account is free to spectate live games and see all the cards. So some players created new accounts, spectated their own live games, and looked at everyone's cards. This is cheating by anyone's standard. But it's not what I was talking about or what AlbertCory was talking about.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> As I'm understanding it, the cheating is to communicate within the bidding system in a way that isn't written down to be disclosed to your opponents. Is that what you're referring to and what the tournament players are doing? Is that what I'm referring to? Yes. I have deep philosophical differences with this approach, it was specifically described in my parent comment, and I responded to that. Is that the form of cheating being described here? No. The cheating here is much, much stupider: it involves online bridge tournaments in which any random account is free to spectate live games and see all the cards. So some players created new accounts, spectated their own live games, and looked at everyone's cards. This is cheating by anyone's standard. But it's not what I was talking about or what AlbertCory was talking about.