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National security literacy tip: China is the world's biggest C02 producer and has declared it has no more concessions to make. Yet the world is content to watc

National security literacy tip: China is the world's biggest C02 producer and has declared it has no more concessions to make. Yet the world is content to watch America fall further into debt & inflation as climate-focused regulations impact logistics, energy & manufacturing. In sum, the US is destabilizing, risking social disorder, for a goal its competitors will not meet. For example, US coal supplies are the lowest they've been in decades at a time when domestic energy demands are requiring about 16% more coal than last year. Similarly, the backlog at California ports is largely due to environmental regulations enacted by the CA legislature (truck emissions primarily). Putting this imbalance in national security context... Resources China & Russia could be allocating to climate change are instead directed to offensive hypersonic weapons, nuclear launch capabilities & forward deployed bases. The US is scrambling to match these investments and innovations in a more expensive labor/procurement environment & while facing all manner of distractions declared national priorities, yet having nothing to do with real security.

CalChris 5y ago
The United States exports coal. The San Pedro Bay backup has nothing to do with California emission standards; it has to do with COVID causing labor shortages. Seattle is having the same problem with the same cause.
- howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
  Incorrect and well established that: 1. CA truck emission standards preclude about 40% of chassis from entering CA ports until they meet standards. 2. CA regs, until this week, prevented stacking containers more than 2 high. 3. Ports not short labor, in fact they just added a night shift - well underutilized b/c 1 & 2 above. RE: Coal https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/coal-piles-drop-to-24-year-low-at-u-s-utilities-on-demand-surge https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/coal-pile...
  - CalChris 5y ago
    1. No, chassis don't pollute. The CARB standards on trucks have nothing to do with the ports. Moreover, those CARB standards are adopted by 16 other states including Oregon and Washington. So your uncited 40% get nowhere near a West Coast port. 2. No, that wasn't 'CA regs'. It was a local Long Beach ordinance. And it was for empties. And it was never a problem before but as soon as Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen brought it up, Long Beach issued an emergency variance [1], like within a day. FWIW, the Seattle Fire Department has the same two high regulation. 3. There are a lot more points in the supply chain that use labor and that have been affected by COVID than container crane operators. It is a complex issue [4]. [1] https://longbeach.gov/press-releases/city-of-long-beach-statement-on-temporarily-allowing-additional-container-stacking/ https://longbeach.gov/press-releases/city-of-long-beach-stat... Yes, the United States exports coal, quite a bit [2], 4th in the world [3]. [2] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/imports-and-exports.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/imports-and-exports... [3] https://www.worldstopexports.com/coal-exports-country/ https://www.worldstopexports.com/coal-exports-country/ [4] https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/cargo_congestion_on_west_coast_is_a_consequence_of_complex_issues https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/cargo_congestion_on_we...
legulere 5y ago
China has the largest population and an over proportional industrial production, which is responsible for the high CO2 emissions. And it invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions than the US
- howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
  I don't know if its true the China invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions than the US, but it's a misleading metric for three reasons: 1. What matters is absolute emissions, period. 2. The US has invested in pollution control for decades, so on an inflation-adjusted basis the aggregate investment by the US would be far greater. 3. As the largest polluter & the largest manufacturer it makes sense China's investment would be greater, but see #1.
  - baktubi 5y ago
    #1 is most relevant. China got hit with massive flooding and their rapidly built infrastructure isn’t built to withstand climate changes. As they say, necessity is the mother of invention. Who gives what China is failing at: we need a technological evolution that works with the planet. Folks who say, “well they’re not doing it so why should we?” Are abdicating all responsibility and are probably lazy citizens to begin with.
  - yogthos 5y ago
    Consumption is the root cause of the emissions. As long as the demand for goods continues, they have to be produced somewhere. Whether the factories are in US or in China is completely irrelevant. Furthermore, China is now a world leader in both solar and nuclear, and they're actively exporting this technology. The reality of the situation is that investing into clean energy is very profitable, and China has now secured its position as the world leader. When other countries start getting their act together, they'll be buying this technology from China.
- ihsw 5y ago
  > it invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions The depressing fact about this is that the US (and more generally the West) are not working towards real genuine CO2 emissions reductions but rather engages in book-keeping scams (ie: carbon credit markets.) "Carbon neutral" is a just an indulgence in the Catholic sense -- paying someone else to pray for you rather than actually changing your behavior.
megabless123 5y ago
> has declared it has no more concessions to make. Got a source for this?
- howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/xis-not-there-cop26-hopes-dim-chinese-leaders-likely-absence-2021-10-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/xis-not-there-cop26-hop... https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/analysis-shows-china-trails-only-us-among-worlds-top-polluters/ https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/analysis-shows-china-trails-on... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3153831/cop26-why-us-china-rivalry-could-be-death-climate-change-diplomacy https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3153831/cop26-w...
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CalChris 5y ago

The United States exports coal. The San Pedro Bay backup has nothing to do with California emission standards; it has to do with COVID causing labor shortages. Seattle is having the same problem with the same cause.

howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
Incorrect and well established that: 1. CA truck emission standards preclude about 40% of chassis from entering CA ports until they meet standards. 2. CA regs, until this week, prevented stacking containers more than 2 high. 3. Ports not short labor, in fact they just added a night shift - well underutilized b/c 1 & 2 above. RE: Coal https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/coal-piles-drop-to-24-year-low-at-u-s-utilities-on-demand-surge https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/coal-pile...
- CalChris 5y ago
  1. No, chassis don't pollute. The CARB standards on trucks have nothing to do with the ports. Moreover, those CARB standards are adopted by 16 other states including Oregon and Washington. So your uncited 40% get nowhere near a West Coast port. 2. No, that wasn't 'CA regs'. It was a local Long Beach ordinance. And it was for empties. And it was never a problem before but as soon as Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen brought it up, Long Beach issued an emergency variance [1], like within a day. FWIW, the Seattle Fire Department has the same two high regulation. 3. There are a lot more points in the supply chain that use labor and that have been affected by COVID than container crane operators. It is a complex issue [4]. [1] https://longbeach.gov/press-releases/city-of-long-beach-statement-on-temporarily-allowing-additional-container-stacking/ https://longbeach.gov/press-releases/city-of-long-beach-stat... Yes, the United States exports coal, quite a bit [2], 4th in the world [3]. [2] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/imports-and-exports.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/imports-and-exports... [3] https://www.worldstopexports.com/coal-exports-country/ https://www.worldstopexports.com/coal-exports-country/ [4] https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/cargo_congestion_on_west_coast_is_a_consequence_of_complex_issues https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/cargo_congestion_on_we...

legulere 5y ago

China has the largest population and an over proportional industrial production, which is responsible for the high CO2 emissions. And it invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions than the US

howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
I don't know if its true the China invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions than the US, but it's a misleading metric for three reasons: 1. What matters is absolute emissions, period. 2. The US has invested in pollution control for decades, so on an inflation-adjusted basis the aggregate investment by the US would be far greater. 3. As the largest polluter & the largest manufacturer it makes sense China's investment would be greater, but see #1.
- baktubi 5y ago
  #1 is most relevant. China got hit with massive flooding and their rapidly built infrastructure isn’t built to withstand climate changes. As they say, necessity is the mother of invention. Who gives what China is failing at: we need a technological evolution that works with the planet. Folks who say, “well they’re not doing it so why should we?” Are abdicating all responsibility and are probably lazy citizens to begin with.
- yogthos 5y ago
  Consumption is the root cause of the emissions. As long as the demand for goods continues, they have to be produced somewhere. Whether the factories are in US or in China is completely irrelevant. Furthermore, China is now a world leader in both solar and nuclear, and they're actively exporting this technology. The reality of the situation is that investing into clean energy is very profitable, and China has now secured its position as the world leader. When other countries start getting their act together, they'll be buying this technology from China.
ihsw 5y ago
> it invests more in decreasing CO2 emissions The depressing fact about this is that the US (and more generally the West) are not working towards real genuine CO2 emissions reductions but rather engages in book-keeping scams (ie: carbon credit markets.) "Carbon neutral" is a just an indulgence in the Catholic sense -- paying someone else to pray for you rather than actually changing your behavior.

megabless123 5y ago

> has declared it has no more concessions to make. Got a source for this?

howmayiannoyyou 5y ago
https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/xis-not-there-cop26-hopes-dim-chinese-leaders-likely-absence-2021-10-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/xis-not-there-cop26-hop... https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/analysis-shows-china-trails-only-us-among-worlds-top-polluters/ https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/analysis-shows-china-trails-on... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3153831/cop26-why-us-china-rivalry-could-be-death-climate-change-diplomacy https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3153831/cop26-w...

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