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>How convenient to blame this all on climate change. Makes it easier for the incompetent, corrupt, and downright evil people running our governments, who create

>How convenient to blame this all on climate change. Makes it easier for the incompetent, corrupt, and downright evil people running our governments, who created these disasters in the first place with their absurd policies, to "save us" with yet more absurd climate policies. What absurd policies? I suspect you can blame the lack of policies , like those oil extraction where they buts soem excess gas just because it is not profitable enough to use it. But I am waiting for you to please explain how an anarchy would have done better or some wild capitalist society with no legislation would have done better for the environment.

furgooswft13 5y ago
The environment is fine right now, and according to you, no policies have been in place to "help it". So I guess "anarchy" or "wild capitalism" works just fine. The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions. Imagine policies that have significant impacts...
- evol262 5y ago
  > The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions. This is the reddest of herrings. The government's role is to strive for the security and safety of its citizens. "Policies related to COVID-19" are part and parcel of that. The economy is "in ruins" not because of "policies related to COVID-19", but because in striving for squeezing every last drop of profitability out of things, a "just-in-time" model was adopted for everything under the sun, which fell apart at the first real obstacle. It's a supply-side crunch from the bottom of the chain on up. Companies which are depleted of capital in order to line people's pockets are unable to jumpstart the process fiscally, and decades of mistreating workers is backfiring as a labor shortage which *should* drive increased wages is leading only to calls for bailouts and government intervention, or _anything_ other than paying market wages. Don't blame governments for unfettered capitalism being an ouroboros.
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    I blame governments (and media) for telling business they can't stay open, people that they can't work, and otherwise going out of their way to make basic aspects of life and work as difficult and bureaucratic as possible. None of this was happening before 2020, despite the constant economic/climate doom porn that this place and others had been engaging in. It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism".
    - simion314 5y ago
      >It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism". False, a government could have stopped international travel and fix the problem at it's root, but capitalists wanted to travel aroudn the world and now you pay more. Same shit with anarchist that protested like retards (at least in my country) that they don't want to use masks and today they are waiting 3 hours for a vaccine because the giant number of deaths in their family finally opened their minds. So you are fucking wrong, greed and anarchy caused lot of death and financial lose, but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better feel free to ignore reality too.
      - furgooswft13 5y ago
        > but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better Add no lockdowns, mandates, or constant fear mongering; then yes, much better.
        simion314 5y ago
        >fear mongering You imply that fear is unjustified, unfortunately here in Romania we can see what happens when conspiracy and no restrictions get combined, do a search on your trusted media and compare real numbers (hopefully your trusted media has real numbers)
- polotics 5y ago
  Care to comment about "The environment is fine right now" are you really sure, where are you based?
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    I'm sure someone living in some smog ridden hellhole city might disagree, but that's a tiny tiny portion of Earth's livable landmass. Weather has been temperate, rain plentiful, trees are (were) green and the birds are chirping. It did seem a bit hot last year but this year was much cooler in my area. Take a walk outside, as far as you can away from human settlement. Nature is stunningly beautiful and does not care at all about human issues.
    - simion314 5y ago
      I live in a village , there are for sure less insects, I rarely see butterflies anymore but don't trust me, there are scientists that put insect traps and measure things, (unless you believe on conspiracies of paid scientists by the green industry then you can continue to deny that things have gone worse.
- animal_spirits 5y ago
  > The economy is in total ruins Not quite. When was the last time you weren't able to buy bread?

furgooswft13 5y ago

The environment is fine right now, and according to you, no policies have been in place to "help it". So I guess "anarchy" or "wild capitalism" works just fine. The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions. Imagine policies that have significant impacts...

evol262 5y ago
> The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions. This is the reddest of herrings. The government's role is to strive for the security and safety of its citizens. "Policies related to COVID-19" are part and parcel of that. The economy is "in ruins" not because of "policies related to COVID-19", but because in striving for squeezing every last drop of profitability out of things, a "just-in-time" model was adopted for everything under the sun, which fell apart at the first real obstacle. It's a supply-side crunch from the bottom of the chain on up. Companies which are depleted of capital in order to line people's pockets are unable to jumpstart the process fiscally, and decades of mistreating workers is backfiring as a labor shortage which *should* drive increased wages is leading only to calls for bailouts and government intervention, or _anything_ other than paying market wages. Don't blame governments for unfettered capitalism being an ouroboros.
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  I blame governments (and media) for telling business they can't stay open, people that they can't work, and otherwise going out of their way to make basic aspects of life and work as difficult and bureaucratic as possible. None of this was happening before 2020, despite the constant economic/climate doom porn that this place and others had been engaging in. It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism".
  - simion314 5y ago
    >It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism". False, a government could have stopped international travel and fix the problem at it's root, but capitalists wanted to travel aroudn the world and now you pay more. Same shit with anarchist that protested like retards (at least in my country) that they don't want to use masks and today they are waiting 3 hours for a vaccine because the giant number of deaths in their family finally opened their minds. So you are fucking wrong, greed and anarchy caused lot of death and financial lose, but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better feel free to ignore reality too.
    - furgooswft13 5y ago
      > but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better Add no lockdowns, mandates, or constant fear mongering; then yes, much better.
      - simion314 5y ago
        >fear mongering You imply that fear is unjustified, unfortunately here in Romania we can see what happens when conspiracy and no restrictions get combined, do a search on your trusted media and compare real numbers (hopefully your trusted media has real numbers)
polotics 5y ago
Care to comment about "The environment is fine right now" are you really sure, where are you based?
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  I'm sure someone living in some smog ridden hellhole city might disagree, but that's a tiny tiny portion of Earth's livable landmass. Weather has been temperate, rain plentiful, trees are (were) green and the birds are chirping. It did seem a bit hot last year but this year was much cooler in my area. Take a walk outside, as far as you can away from human settlement. Nature is stunningly beautiful and does not care at all about human issues.
  - simion314 5y ago
    I live in a village , there are for sure less insects, I rarely see butterflies anymore but don't trust me, there are scientists that put insect traps and measure things, (unless you believe on conspiracies of paid scientists by the green industry then you can continue to deny that things have gone worse.
animal_spirits 5y ago
> The economy is in total ruins Not quite. When was the last time you weren't able to buy bread?