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While the bad judgements are without question, it does seem like Donziger is very much guilty of engaging in an extortion racket of his own. Chevron's wrongdoin

While the bad judgements are without question, it does seem like Donziger is very much guilty of engaging in an extortion racket of his own. Chevron's wrongdoings don't absolve his. I strongly encourage people to avoid the rage-baiting and misinformation machine that is Chapo Trap House.

skywal_l 5y ago
Isn't the best way to combat misinformation is with information? What are your sources?
- legitster 5y ago
  Information is great. But even being gracious, CTH is a highly polemic source of entertainment. I would lump them with Breitbart or Joe Rogan or similar.
  - whydoibother 5y ago
    What are you sources? Don’t dance around the question. We don’t care about your value judgement of a podcast.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It doesn't change the fact that their account of the story is accurate and backed by credibly sources while yours so far isn't. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witness-admits-to-lying-in-the-amazon-pollution-case https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witn... https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-steven-donziger/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... If they were equivalent to Breitbart in that they mention crucial information that the likes of the NYT and WaPo didn't, we'd be in big trouble.
sudosysgen 5y ago
How has he been running an "extortion racket"? The only evidence to that is from someone that Chevron themselves bribed. To all of the reading I've done on the subject the Chapo telling of the story is accurate. It's just some previously reputable sources that fail to mention that the only account or Donzigers wrong-doing is by someone paid 12 000$ a month by Chevron and reliant on Chevron's goodwill to say in the USA, that also recanted his account later. There is no credible evidence of extortion from Donziger, in account that portrays it as such is either misinformed or naive.
- legitster 5y ago
  He was also selling shares of the proceedings to hedge funds: https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defrauded-in-suit-against-chevron/ https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defra... The plaintiffs in the case (UDAPT) also removed him from the team when he wouldn't tell them what he had done with over $250 million dollars he had supposedly raised in their name: https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf

skywal_l 5y ago

Isn't the best way to combat misinformation is with information? What are your sources?

legitster 5y ago
Information is great. But even being gracious, CTH is a highly polemic source of entertainment. I would lump them with Breitbart or Joe Rogan or similar.
- whydoibother 5y ago
  What are you sources? Don’t dance around the question. We don’t care about your value judgement of a podcast.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It doesn't change the fact that their account of the story is accurate and backed by credibly sources while yours so far isn't. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witness-admits-to-lying-in-the-amazon-pollution-case https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witn... https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-steven-donziger/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... If they were equivalent to Breitbart in that they mention crucial information that the likes of the NYT and WaPo didn't, we'd be in big trouble.

sudosysgen 5y ago

How has he been running an "extortion racket"? The only evidence to that is from someone that Chevron themselves bribed. To all of the reading I've done on the subject the Chapo telling of the story is accurate. It's just some previously reputable sources that fail to mention that the only account or Donzigers wrong-doing is by someone paid 12 000$ a month by Chevron and reliant on Chevron's goodwill to say in the USA, that also recanted his account later. There is no credible evidence of extortion from Donziger, in account that portrays it as such is either misinformed or naive.

legitster 5y ago
He was also selling shares of the proceedings to hedge funds: https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defrauded-in-suit-against-chevron/ https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defra... The plaintiffs in the case (UDAPT) also removed him from the team when he wouldn't tell them what he had done with over $250 million dollars he had supposedly raised in their name: https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf