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> This is a very popular trend and a lot of programs are replacing their icons in this way, so it's obviously fine for most people, and I realize this is probab

by alxlaz 5y ago

> This is a very popular trend and a lot of programs are replacing their icons in this way, so it's obviously fine for most people, and I realize this is probably a niche accessibility need I have. It's not a niche accessibility need, it's a universal accessibility need that's been commonly understood for decades. Insufficient differentiation is one of the factors that originally drove the increase of colour count (and later, as display hardware allowed it, resolution) in icons 30-ish years ago. This trend is not driven by universal preference for monochromatic icons but by the cargo cult that UX has become.

polk 5y ago
This is only true if we pretend that UI design is largely about button-level optimization. Clearly it needs to work on the macro level as well, and it's not farfetched to assume that optimizing every button, icon and text label for their individual local maxima will result in an application that's overall too cluttered for anyone but the most experienced users.
- alxlaz 5y ago
  This is not a binary thing. There is such a thing as an interface that is clean and uncluttered, while still using icons that are at least distinguishable from each other. Otherwise you get none of the benefits of an uncluttered interface -- e.g. you have to hover by each button and read the tooltip to find the right one, which is precisely the kind of thing a clean interface is meant to avoid in the first place. Also, Blender is not a grocery list app. While disregarding novice users does result in an application that's impossible to learn and that's obviously bad, it's equally unproductive to optimize an interface for people who see it for the first time. Blender is the kind of application that you spend tens, if not hundreds of hours learning before using it productively (let alone professionally). That's the target audience you're designing for, not people who download it and uninstall it if they get bored in the first thirty seconds.
  - polk 5y ago
    Sure, my comment is in response to the claim that monochrome icons are user-hostile and pushed by a cargo-culting UX profession. Plenty of professional tools (Photoshop, Final Cut, Figma) have monochrome icons without it being a usability issue. These are all content creation tools, including Blender. The UI and content should not be fighting for attention. It's clear which of those two should primarily be on display. I think it's entirely possible that Blender just has poor icons - but it seems demonstrably false that monochrome icons are inherently inaccessible. My best guess is that Blenders real issue is a lack of structure and clear grouping. Providing the icons are in a logical place, it's easy enough to find the correct one, without them needing to be visually distinct on literally every dimension. But if there's no logic to the placement and the icon you're looking for could be one of thirty, then I agree that's an usability issue - just not that the icons are at fault.

by alxlaz 5y ago

polk 5y ago

This is only true if we pretend that UI design is largely about button-level optimization. Clearly it needs to work on the macro level as well, and it's not farfetched to assume that optimizing every button, icon and text label for their individual local maxima will result in an application that's overall too cluttered for anyone but the most experienced users.

alxlaz 5y ago
This is not a binary thing. There is such a thing as an interface that is clean and uncluttered, while still using icons that are at least distinguishable from each other. Otherwise you get none of the benefits of an uncluttered interface -- e.g. you have to hover by each button and read the tooltip to find the right one, which is precisely the kind of thing a clean interface is meant to avoid in the first place. Also, Blender is not a grocery list app. While disregarding novice users does result in an application that's impossible to learn and that's obviously bad, it's equally unproductive to optimize an interface for people who see it for the first time. Blender is the kind of application that you spend tens, if not hundreds of hours learning before using it productively (let alone professionally). That's the target audience you're designing for, not people who download it and uninstall it if they get bored in the first thirty seconds.
- polk 5y ago
  Sure, my comment is in response to the claim that monochrome icons are user-hostile and pushed by a cargo-culting UX profession. Plenty of professional tools (Photoshop, Final Cut, Figma) have monochrome icons without it being a usability issue. These are all content creation tools, including Blender. The UI and content should not be fighting for attention. It's clear which of those two should primarily be on display. I think it's entirely possible that Blender just has poor icons - but it seems demonstrably false that monochrome icons are inherently inaccessible. My best guess is that Blenders real issue is a lack of structure and clear grouping. Providing the icons are in a logical place, it's easy enough to find the correct one, without them needing to be visually distinct on literally every dimension. But if there's no logic to the placement and the icon you're looking for could be one of thirty, then I agree that's an usability issue - just not that the icons are at fault.