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"There's little space for compassion and sociability" I would argue there is more space now than there used to be. I mean, women were basically property at on

"There's little space for compassion and sociability" I would argue there is more space now than there used to be. I mean, women were basically property at one point, with changing degrees of freedom. You might not get out of the house much, depending. Folks working as servants around 1900 basically had to do what their employers said, even if that meant you simply weren't allowed to have a romantic partner. We kept slaves, and unfortunately, some folks still do. We are probably lucky to spend only 8 hours a day on things, and I'm really happy that housework doesn't take up a lot of time now. Doing housework or working long hours doesn't grant you much space for compassion nor sociability. The television and feeds are hobbies and entertainment. The folks in the past did similar stuff, and they had their own outcries - books, bicycles, women's ankles, and so on. Drinking has been with us for literally Millenia. The amount of drunkards has varied alongside whatever it is we feel is "too much" - in other words, drinking daily wouldn't be strange if that is in the culture, but it is possible that same culture would frown on daily drunkenness.

iammisc 5y ago
> I mean, women were basically property at one point, with changing degrees of freedom. You might not get out of the house much, depending. Can we please stop just repeating cliches that are not even obviously true? While certain countries certainly had these notions, this is not a universal. And even in cultures with strong 'female ownership', the picture you're painting is incredibly wrong. While women may be considered 'basically' property, they would constantly be socializing with one another. They would be out of their house often with other women and their children. The appearance of 'ownership' would only be from the vantage point of men. For example, looking at Middle Eastern society, it's completely false to say women don't get out of the house. Women have entire portions of the house to themselves, where they and their female friends can get together, talk, interact, and gossip without any interference from men, including their own husband. Today we are way more atomized. Many people work, watch TV, and sleep. That's sad. We used to spend most of our day with friends and family. Even the slaves would.

iammisc 5y ago

> I mean, women were basically property at one point, with changing degrees of freedom. You might not get out of the house much, depending. Can we please stop just repeating cliches that are not even obviously true? While certain countries certainly had these notions, this is not a universal. And even in cultures with strong 'female ownership', the picture you're painting is incredibly wrong. While women may be considered 'basically' property, they would constantly be socializing with one another. They would be out of their house often with other women and their children. The appearance of 'ownership' would only be from the vantage point of men. For example, looking at Middle Eastern society, it's completely false to say women don't get out of the house. Women have entire portions of the house to themselves, where they and their female friends can get together, talk, interact, and gossip without any interference from men, including their own husband. Today we are way more atomized. Many people work, watch TV, and sleep. That's sad. We used to spend most of our day with friends and family. Even the slaves would.