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Forget the nytimes on that particular issue (and on many others). They miserably fail at reporting the corruption of the courts. Both judges (Kaplan[0] and Pres

Forget the nytimes on that particular issue (and on many others). They miserably fail at reporting the corruption of the courts. Both judges (Kaplan[0] and Preska[1]) have ties to Chevron. I encourage you to listen to the Chapo Trap House episodes where Dozinger is interviewed [2][3][4]. This story is just incredible... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_A._Kaplan#Chevron_vs_Donzinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_A._Kaplan#Chevron_vs_Don... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger#Criminal_contempt_charge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger#Criminal_conte... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXi6szykigo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXi6szykigo [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ntqSR6z814 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ntqSR6z814 [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G2abeIqDPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G2abeIqDPI

legitster 5y ago
While the bad judgements are without question, it does seem like Donziger is very much guilty of engaging in an extortion racket of his own. Chevron's wrongdoings don't absolve his. I strongly encourage people to avoid the rage-baiting and misinformation machine that is Chapo Trap House.
- skywal_l 5y ago
  Isn't the best way to combat misinformation is with information? What are your sources?
  - legitster 5y ago
    Information is great. But even being gracious, CTH is a highly polemic source of entertainment. I would lump them with Breitbart or Joe Rogan or similar.
    - whydoibother 5y ago
      What are you sources? Don’t dance around the question. We don’t care about your value judgement of a podcast.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      It doesn't change the fact that their account of the story is accurate and backed by credibly sources while yours so far isn't. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witness-admits-to-lying-in-the-amazon-pollution-case https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witn... https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-steven-donziger/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... If they were equivalent to Breitbart in that they mention crucial information that the likes of the NYT and WaPo didn't, we'd be in big trouble.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  How has he been running an "extortion racket"? The only evidence to that is from someone that Chevron themselves bribed. To all of the reading I've done on the subject the Chapo telling of the story is accurate. It's just some previously reputable sources that fail to mention that the only account or Donzigers wrong-doing is by someone paid 12 000$ a month by Chevron and reliant on Chevron's goodwill to say in the USA, that also recanted his account later. There is no credible evidence of extortion from Donziger, in account that portrays it as such is either misinformed or naive.
  - legitster 5y ago
    He was also selling shares of the proceedings to hedge funds: https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defrauded-in-suit-against-chevron/ https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defra... The plaintiffs in the case (UDAPT) also removed him from the team when he wouldn't tell them what he had done with over $250 million dollars he had supposedly raised in their name: https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf
Dma54rhs 5y ago
Are people seriously linking chapo trap house here? They're even banned on reddit for extremism.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  No, they're not. The subreddit was, at the same time as the Trump subreddit, in a transparent attempt to do a bothsidesism and limit PR damage to . The cited extremist content were related to John Brown being justified, etc... Generally the subreddit was to the left of Chapo, and there was a signficant amount of distance between the two, with the sub and the podcasters roasting each other every so often. FWIW I originally learnt about Chapo Trap House on this website, a year and half ago or so. They're obviously a podcast so not as accurate as written publications, but as long as you take their bias into account they're not so bad. To substanitate the podcast not being banned, check out r/blackwolffeed which discusses the podcast (unlike the eponymous subreddit), and you will see that it is in fact not banned from Reddit.
- anemoiac 5y ago
  What’s extreme about them? Does being outside the American Overton Window automatically make one an extremist?
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    I'm not an American but these delusional kids wave with Soviet Union flags, so someone who has lived and family members killed under the banner they very much are extremists.

legitster 5y ago

While the bad judgements are without question, it does seem like Donziger is very much guilty of engaging in an extortion racket of his own. Chevron's wrongdoings don't absolve his. I strongly encourage people to avoid the rage-baiting and misinformation machine that is Chapo Trap House.

skywal_l 5y ago
Isn't the best way to combat misinformation is with information? What are your sources?
- legitster 5y ago
  Information is great. But even being gracious, CTH is a highly polemic source of entertainment. I would lump them with Breitbart or Joe Rogan or similar.
  - whydoibother 5y ago
    What are you sources? Don’t dance around the question. We don’t care about your value judgement of a podcast.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It doesn't change the fact that their account of the story is accurate and backed by credibly sources while yours so far isn't. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witness-admits-to-lying-in-the-amazon-pollution-case https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neye7z/chevrons-star-witn... https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-steven-donziger/ https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... If they were equivalent to Breitbart in that they mention crucial information that the likes of the NYT and WaPo didn't, we'd be in big trouble.
sudosysgen 5y ago
How has he been running an "extortion racket"? The only evidence to that is from someone that Chevron themselves bribed. To all of the reading I've done on the subject the Chapo telling of the story is accurate. It's just some previously reputable sources that fail to mention that the only account or Donzigers wrong-doing is by someone paid 12 000$ a month by Chevron and reliant on Chevron's goodwill to say in the USA, that also recanted his account later. There is no credible evidence of extortion from Donziger, in account that portrays it as such is either misinformed or naive.
- legitster 5y ago
  He was also selling shares of the proceedings to hedge funds: https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defrauded-in-suit-against-chevron/ https://fortune.com/2013/01/10/investment-fund-we-were-defra... The plaintiffs in the case (UDAPT) also removed him from the team when he wouldn't tell them what he had done with over $250 million dollars he had supposedly raised in their name: https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf https://www.juiciocrudo.com/documents/63f50d71c5.pdf

Dma54rhs 5y ago

Are people seriously linking chapo trap house here? They're even banned on reddit for extremism.

sudosysgen 5y ago
No, they're not. The subreddit was, at the same time as the Trump subreddit, in a transparent attempt to do a bothsidesism and limit PR damage to . The cited extremist content were related to John Brown being justified, etc... Generally the subreddit was to the left of Chapo, and there was a signficant amount of distance between the two, with the sub and the podcasters roasting each other every so often. FWIW I originally learnt about Chapo Trap House on this website, a year and half ago or so. They're obviously a podcast so not as accurate as written publications, but as long as you take their bias into account they're not so bad. To substanitate the podcast not being banned, check out r/blackwolffeed which discusses the podcast (unlike the eponymous subreddit), and you will see that it is in fact not banned from Reddit.
anemoiac 5y ago
What’s extreme about them? Does being outside the American Overton Window automatically make one an extremist?
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  I'm not an American but these delusional kids wave with Soviet Union flags, so someone who has lived and family members killed under the banner they very much are extremists.