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> Disclaimer3: The police only get ring videos that are forwarded to them from ring users, they have no generic access to ring data. The victims of crime tend t

> Disclaimer3: The police only get ring videos that are forwarded to them from ring users, they have no generic access to ring data. The victims of crime tend to forward videos of the criminals in hopes the police can catch them. That’s fascinating. How exactly are you so intimately familiar with Amazon’s inner workings? You’re fully confident that this system can’t be abused because of… what experience, exactly? Edit: yes. I fully and unequivocally support criminals. I figure if a silly cop propagandist is going to respond to this post, that will be the first silly vague salvo against not wanting to give cops full control of society, so skip to rebuttal(2) Edit:typos

gibsonf1 5y ago
Because my wife runs the intelligence unit of a police department, and they only get ring videos forwarded to them from victims of crime. And some of those crimes are horrific, like armed home invasion robbery, and those videos have led to capturing those criminals.
- newbie789 5y ago
  So your wife has access to [Amazon surveillance product x], therefore the existence of [trivially producible Amazon surveillance product y] can’t be possible. Is your wife the head of the police intelligence unit of The World?
ppqqrr 5y ago
> My wife runs a police intelligence unit that catches actual criminals from ring info
- newbie789 5y ago
  Cool, I wasn’t aware that Amazon and regional police were the same organization. I was under the impression that a multibillion dollar corporation could keep secrets from a an HN poster’s wife, but I guess your point that she’s some sort of cop negates that
  - ppqqrr 5y ago
    The point of contention is how amazon and local police interact with each other, specifically what constraints amazon has on its data sharing with local police. Wife of an HN poster or not, testimony from someone who directly works with those constraints on a daily basis should matter, I believe.
    - newbie789 5y ago
      The point of contention is indeed how Amazon interacts with local police. I am pointing out that one second-hand example of one police force and their access to one technology does not necessarily describe an entire surveillance apparatus and its possible uses. Are you of the opinion that it does?
      - ppqqrr 5y ago
        No, I’m not. I mean, it’s just words written on the internet, the whole thing could be made up, right? My opinion is that the police as an institution needs technology to keep up with the world, especially if we want a smaller police force with better training, higher qualifications and accountability. Sensible regulations must be passed and enforced in order to minimize the risk of abuse, which is really where I think the ball is being dropped here. Without governance, corporations bear the burden of figuring out the sensible thing, and people are (rightly) suspicious of their judgement.
        newbie789 5y ago
        > …My opinion is that the police as an institution needs technology to keep up with the world, especially if we want a smaller police force with better training, higher qualifications and accountability… Do you think that that’s the goal? I personally view “tech that makes cops’ jobs incredibly easier” as a thing that doesn’t lead to “cops quit in droves to support newfound theoretical efficiency”
        ppqqrr 5y ago

gibsonf1 5y ago

Because my wife runs the intelligence unit of a police department, and they only get ring videos forwarded to them from victims of crime. And some of those crimes are horrific, like armed home invasion robbery, and those videos have led to capturing those criminals.

newbie789 5y ago
So your wife has access to [Amazon surveillance product x], therefore the existence of [trivially producible Amazon surveillance product y] can’t be possible. Is your wife the head of the police intelligence unit of The World?

ppqqrr 5y ago

> My wife runs a police intelligence unit that catches actual criminals from ring info

newbie789 5y ago
Cool, I wasn’t aware that Amazon and regional police were the same organization. I was under the impression that a multibillion dollar corporation could keep secrets from a an HN poster’s wife, but I guess your point that she’s some sort of cop negates that
- ppqqrr 5y ago
  The point of contention is how amazon and local police interact with each other, specifically what constraints amazon has on its data sharing with local police. Wife of an HN poster or not, testimony from someone who directly works with those constraints on a daily basis should matter, I believe.
  - newbie789 5y ago
    The point of contention is indeed how Amazon interacts with local police. I am pointing out that one second-hand example of one police force and their access to one technology does not necessarily describe an entire surveillance apparatus and its possible uses. Are you of the opinion that it does?
    - ppqqrr 5y ago
      No, I’m not. I mean, it’s just words written on the internet, the whole thing could be made up, right? My opinion is that the police as an institution needs technology to keep up with the world, especially if we want a smaller police force with better training, higher qualifications and accountability. Sensible regulations must be passed and enforced in order to minimize the risk of abuse, which is really where I think the ball is being dropped here. Without governance, corporations bear the burden of figuring out the sensible thing, and people are (rightly) suspicious of their judgement.
      - newbie789 5y ago
        > …My opinion is that the police as an institution needs technology to keep up with the world, especially if we want a smaller police force with better training, higher qualifications and accountability… Do you think that that’s the goal? I personally view “tech that makes cops’ jobs incredibly easier” as a thing that doesn’t lead to “cops quit in droves to support newfound theoretical efficiency”
        ppqqrr 5y ago