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>like those people stealing the packages from your front door What jurisdiction actually takes this kind of thing seriously? Petty theft, even by organized gro

>like those people stealing the packages from your front door What jurisdiction actually takes this kind of thing seriously? Petty theft, even by organized groups, is routinely ignored.

mc32 5y ago
That probably depends a lot on jurisdiction, DA, the police and the people of said jurisdiction. SF gov kind of treats this as 'part of the fabric of life' but not all places see things the same as the example set by SF.
- esyir 5y ago
  Thank god for that. The way Sf treats property crime with such indifference is unacceptable in most of the developed world
omegaham 5y ago
Bored suburban cops. They have bait packages and everything around here. They caught the woman who stole the passports out of our mailbox, so they seem to be doing some good. Amusingly enough, my wife's response to the website in the OP was "Gee, that's some pretty good ad copy for Ring. Should we get one?"
throwawaysea 5y ago
Some jurisdictions do, particularly in smaller cities like suburbs, where police staff aren't fully occupied with higher priority calls. However, many bigger cities are simply too understaffed compared to the past, and ignore property crimes as you say. This is especially true in West Coast cities like SF, Portland, and Seattle. For example Seattle has lost hundreds of police officers in the last year due to the push for defunding, hostile attitudes towards police from activists/local politicians, and the opportunity to have a less stressful/better paying job elsewhere after a very rough year dealing with near-daily rioting. At present, the city has only around 1000 officers and it is expected to lose some more due to the vaccine mandate. This is around half of what the average city has per capita, and in the last decade the effects of a lenient city attorney, crime-friendly local government focused on "restorative justice", and falling per capita officer counts has led to a massive increase in crimes. Just like in SF, people have given up on even reporting them since even if someone is arrested, the city attorney will just release them anyways, and insurance claims require a deductible. Even businesses have given up on crime reporting (example: https://tinyurl.com/4nhn45bw https://tinyurl.com/4nhn45bw). A good overview of the Seattle situation can be found in a couple documentaries, "Seattle is Dying" (https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw) and "The Fight for the Soul of Seattle" (https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw). The city's transformation from a safe clean city to what it is today took place in a decade. I expect it can also be fixed just as quickly with only a small set of changes like a) doubling the staff counts at the police department b) replacing the activist city attorney with a moderate c) enforcing existing laws d) cleaning up drug dens and theft rings masquerading as homeless encampments e) increasing the number of patrols and beat cops f) using technologies like facial recognition.
- mc32 5y ago
  After the Koch and Dinkins admins, NYC had descended into a high crime city and it was thought it was 'endemic' but then Giuliani was elected (before he went off the rails) and cleaned up the city in one administration, so much the citizens hired him again. So, it's possible with the right recipe of Mayor, DA and Police Commissioner to do it pretty quick --but the citizenry have to have "had it" with crime, so they elect a tough on crime admin.

>like those people stealing the packages from your front door What jurisdiction actually takes this kind of thing seriously? Petty theft, even by organized groups, is routinely ignored.

mc32 5y ago

That probably depends a lot on jurisdiction, DA, the police and the people of said jurisdiction. SF gov kind of treats this as 'part of the fabric of life' but not all places see things the same as the example set by SF.

esyir 5y ago
Thank god for that. The way Sf treats property crime with such indifference is unacceptable in most of the developed world

omegaham 5y ago

Bored suburban cops. They have bait packages and everything around here. They caught the woman who stole the passports out of our mailbox, so they seem to be doing some good. Amusingly enough, my wife's response to the website in the OP was "Gee, that's some pretty good ad copy for Ring. Should we get one?"

throwawaysea 5y ago

Some jurisdictions do, particularly in smaller cities like suburbs, where police staff aren't fully occupied with higher priority calls. However, many bigger cities are simply too understaffed compared to the past, and ignore property crimes as you say. This is especially true in West Coast cities like SF, Portland, and Seattle. For example Seattle has lost hundreds of police officers in the last year due to the push for defunding, hostile attitudes towards police from activists/local politicians, and the opportunity to have a less stressful/better paying job elsewhere after a very rough year dealing with near-daily rioting. At present, the city has only around 1000 officers and it is expected to lose some more due to the vaccine mandate. This is around half of what the average city has per capita, and in the last decade the effects of a lenient city attorney, crime-friendly local government focused on "restorative justice", and falling per capita officer counts has led to a massive increase in crimes. Just like in SF, people have given up on even reporting them since even if someone is arrested, the city attorney will just release them anyways, and insurance claims require a deductible. Even businesses have given up on crime reporting (example: https://tinyurl.com/4nhn45bw https://tinyurl.com/4nhn45bw). A good overview of the Seattle situation can be found in a couple documentaries, "Seattle is Dying" (https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw) and "The Fight for the Soul of Seattle" (https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw https://youtu.be/WijoL3Hy_Bw). The city's transformation from a safe clean city to what it is today took place in a decade. I expect it can also be fixed just as quickly with only a small set of changes like a) doubling the staff counts at the police department b) replacing the activist city attorney with a moderate c) enforcing existing laws d) cleaning up drug dens and theft rings masquerading as homeless encampments e) increasing the number of patrols and beat cops f) using technologies like facial recognition.

mc32 5y ago
After the Koch and Dinkins admins, NYC had descended into a high crime city and it was thought it was 'endemic' but then Giuliani was elected (before he went off the rails) and cleaned up the city in one administration, so much the citizens hired him again. So, it's possible with the right recipe of Mayor, DA and Police Commissioner to do it pretty quick --but the citizenry have to have "had it" with crime, so they elect a tough on crime admin.