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Considering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. You can think you are as white as you'd like, it's not going to help when you are

Considering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. You can think you are as white as you'd like, it's not going to help when you are a 5'66'' man who grew up in an Indian and Mixtec speaking household. As for Florida, Fl is red because of the presence of Cubans who lost everything during the revolution and were whiter, and because of snowbirds retiring there.

rsj_hn 5y ago
> Considering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. Being hispanic in the US has long been considered an ethnicity rather than a race. So yes, it is all about how you view yourself. And you cannot view yourself one way if the majority of your peers views you differently. It's just a myth to think that tens of millions of descendants of hispanics who view themselves as white are viewed as non-white by the society at large. > Fl is red because of the presence of Cubans who lost everything during the revolution and were whiter This is racist nonsense. The Cuban revolution happened in the 50s, and that's when the expats fled - only a minority of which were "wealthy". There has not been a rush of wealthy Cuban expats into Florida during the last few election cycles. What has happened is the decedents of those people are second and third generation now, which is exactly the phenomenon I was describing.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
  So when looking a how the hispanic population as a whole breaks blue, we can't cite the Cuban-American genesis story as why they vote Red?
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    So my claims that a portion of the descendants of hispanics view themselves as white - and therefore are white - and this portion increases with each generation, is not incompatible with the view that those who still view themselves as hispanics break more blue. In fact, it has nothing to do with testing this hypothesis. Moreover, if you insist on trying to reduce the politics of Miami to Cuban Americans, and the politics of Florida to Miami, then you are going to be missing the big picture.
    - anthk 5y ago
      Walt Disney himself had Hispanic origins.

rsj_hn 5y ago

> Considering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. Being hispanic in the US has long been considered an ethnicity rather than a race. So yes, it is all about how you view yourself. And you cannot view yourself one way if the majority of your peers views you differently. It's just a myth to think that tens of millions of descendants of hispanics who view themselves as white are viewed as non-white by the society at large. > Fl is red because of the presence of Cubans who lost everything during the revolution and were whiter This is racist nonsense. The Cuban revolution happened in the 50s, and that's when the expats fled - only a minority of which were "wealthy". There has not been a rush of wealthy Cuban expats into Florida during the last few election cycles. What has happened is the decedents of those people are second and third generation now, which is exactly the phenomenon I was describing.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
So when looking a how the hispanic population as a whole breaks blue, we can't cite the Cuban-American genesis story as why they vote Red?
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  So my claims that a portion of the descendants of hispanics view themselves as white - and therefore are white - and this portion increases with each generation, is not incompatible with the view that those who still view themselves as hispanics break more blue. In fact, it has nothing to do with testing this hypothesis. Moreover, if you insist on trying to reduce the politics of Miami to Cuban Americans, and the politics of Florida to Miami, then you are going to be missing the big picture.
  - anthk 5y ago
    Walt Disney himself had Hispanic origins.