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Attacking drivers of racial division and discrimination has produced very many concrete improvements. Equal housing laws, anti-discrimination laws, anti-segreg
by causi 5y ago
Attacking drivers of racial division and discrimination has produced very many concrete improvements. Equal housing laws, anti-discrimination laws, anti-segregation laws have all been shown to do good. I think the track record for "positive equity" efforts is much more spotty. If we look at US minority populations whose measurable social position has improved greatly from their historical origins and matched or exceeded the white populace as a whole, how many of their success stories involved this type of heavy-handed brotherly-love enforcement? Irish people, Italian people, Jewish people, Asian people. I don't think the unending reminder of our differences ultimately contributes to social equity.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y agoCiting ethnic groups that eventually become "white" and model minority groups is a whole thread unto itself, there is a reason your list doesn't include Native Americans, African-Americans and Hispanics. Race-blindness always serves to hide the hierarchy as it currently stands, as society is never blind to marginalized groups.
- zozbot234 5y agoMost observers predict that Hispanics are on track to become the next "white" minority, followed by other groups. The whole point is that "the hierarchy as it currently stands" is not immutable, in fact it can shift rather quickly.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y agoWho is predicting that? Hispanics have been here since Manifest Destiny ran into them way back when. Yet they haven't assimilated like other groups sourced from Europe, or ones that remain at non-threatening numbers. The only time I ever here someone talk about a non-European sourced group ever becoming "white" is in the context of the conservative demographic threat on the horizon.
- rsj_hn 5y ago> Hispanics have been here since Manifest Destiny ran into them way back when. Yet they haven't assimilated like other groups sourced from Europe, or ones that remain at non-threatening numbers. Hispanics assimilate quite rapidly. 50% of second generation hispanics consider themselves "white". The issue is the flood of new hispanics is sufficiently large so as to hide the corresponding flood of assimilation. Florida turned red on the back of hispanic voters.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y agoConsidering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. You can think you are as white as you'd like, it's not going to help when you are a 5'66'' man who grew up in an Indian and Mixtec speaking household. As for Florida, Fl is red because of the presence of Cubans who lost everything during the revolution and were whiter, and because of snowbirds retiring there.
- rsj_hn 5y ago> Considering yourself one thing has nothing to do with how society views you. Being hispanic in the US has long been considered an ethnicity rather than a race. So yes, it is all about how you view yourself. And you cannot view yourself one way if the majority of your peers views you differently. It's just a myth to think that tens of millions of descendants of hispanics who view themselves as white are viewed as non-white by the society at large. > Fl is red because of the presence of Cubans who lost everything during the revolution and were whiter This is racist nonsense. The Cuban revolution happened in the 50s, and that's when the expats fled - only a minority of which were "wealthy". There has not been a rush of wealthy Cuban expats into Florida during the last few election cycles. What has happened is the decedents of those people are second and third generation now, which is exactly the phenomenon I was describing.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y agoSo when looking a how the hispanic population as a whole breaks blue, we can't cite the Cuban-American genesis story as why they vote Red?