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Touch Bar I think was a legit attempt at modernization. Every time I 'see' a touchbar, I want one. They look cool and useful. The only reason I don't have on

Touch Bar I think was a legit attempt at modernization. Every time I 'see' a touchbar, I want one. They look cool and useful. The only reason I don't have one, is because everyone seems to indicate they are useless. It's also possibly a platform issue - maybe they just didn't get enough participation etc.. Also - 'thinner' is a rational and generally positive thing, it's just that we've reached a threshold where the diminishing marginal returns are starting to weigh on other things. Even ports - it's not an aesthetic issue only - they're trying to get everyone onto a standard. Frankly, I support the notion - I'd love it if everyone just used the same dam connector. The reason I don't like my 'USB C only Mac' is only because the ecosystem isn't there yet. If the ecosystem were there, I'd be fine with it.

Spivak 5y ago
I'm kinda sad to see the Touch Bar go so fast because I have one and actually like it a lot. The variant where it has a physical escape key is perfect.
rudedogg 5y ago
> Touch Bar I think was a legit attempt at modernization. I agree, I think they're really interesting. The way we interact with computers hasn't changed much, and having a set of buttons you can configure sounds amazing. I wish they would have just put it above the physical function keys, and deployed it to all MacBooks and wireless keyboards. Being limited to just some MacBook Pros probably hurt the number of apps that adopted it.
st-keller 5y ago
Not everyone says the touchbar is useless. I absolutely love it! I will miss it. And the new Macbook may be a beast but it looks terribly old - like a yesterday-machine. For the first time Apple released a product i will buy because it will be more capable - but not because i want it!
wiredfool 5y ago
I think that the touchbar could have been fine if it had been spaced one row above a full sized set of function keys. As it is, when I use the keyboard on my work MBP, my fingers will brush the touchbar and do things. I have turned off the functionality in most apps so that I don't get that. (terminal especially) For my actual usage, it's a step backwards from the pre-2016 function keys, an always available pause/play/stop, volume and brightness. I can't be doing something in emacs and then hit pause or louder, it's switch to music and then I can pause. The lack of a physical escape key also dooms it in my usage. (no, escape is not going on caps-lock, that's where control goes) So the work MBP is 99% used with an external keyboard/monitor. The personal 2015 MBP is generally used on the lap. USB-c is ok, and the real magic is when you've got a Thunderbolt/USB-c power delivery monitor with a built in usb3 hub. One wire to the laptop and you're done. (and even better when the monitor has a built-in kvm so that the other computer is just a switch away, without mucking with cables).
- fwip 5y ago
  Why not the best of both worlds? Bind capslock to "control when chorded, escape when pressed alone." I use Karabiner-Elements for this, it's very easy to set up. https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/

Spivak 5y ago

I'm kinda sad to see the Touch Bar go so fast because I have one and actually like it a lot. The variant where it has a physical escape key is perfect.

rudedogg 5y ago

> Touch Bar I think was a legit attempt at modernization. I agree, I think they're really interesting. The way we interact with computers hasn't changed much, and having a set of buttons you can configure sounds amazing. I wish they would have just put it above the physical function keys, and deployed it to all MacBooks and wireless keyboards. Being limited to just some MacBook Pros probably hurt the number of apps that adopted it.

st-keller 5y ago

Not everyone says the touchbar is useless. I absolutely love it! I will miss it. And the new Macbook may be a beast but it looks terribly old - like a yesterday-machine. For the first time Apple released a product i will buy because it will be more capable - but not because i want it!

wiredfool 5y ago

I think that the touchbar could have been fine if it had been spaced one row above a full sized set of function keys. As it is, when I use the keyboard on my work MBP, my fingers will brush the touchbar and do things. I have turned off the functionality in most apps so that I don't get that. (terminal especially) For my actual usage, it's a step backwards from the pre-2016 function keys, an always available pause/play/stop, volume and brightness. I can't be doing something in emacs and then hit pause or louder, it's switch to music and then I can pause. The lack of a physical escape key also dooms it in my usage. (no, escape is not going on caps-lock, that's where control goes) So the work MBP is 99% used with an external keyboard/monitor. The personal 2015 MBP is generally used on the lap. USB-c is ok, and the real magic is when you've got a Thunderbolt/USB-c power delivery monitor with a built in usb3 hub. One wire to the laptop and you're done. (and even better when the monitor has a built-in kvm so that the other computer is just a switch away, without mucking with cables).

fwip 5y ago
Why not the best of both worlds? Bind capslock to "control when chorded, escape when pressed alone." I use Karabiner-Elements for this, it's very easy to set up. https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/