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People cheat in chess all the time, using an engine to help them out, or before that getting outside assistance. Take a look into the Korchnoi v Karpov match fo

by neaden 5y ago

People cheat in chess all the time, using an engine to help them out, or before that getting outside assistance. Take a look into the Korchnoi v Karpov match for world champion which had accusations of cheating involving secret messages in yogur and one player hiring a hypnotist to be in the audience and the other responding by befriending two local murderers and bringing them to the match. More recently Anna Rudolph was accused of hiding a computer in her lip balm.

yifanl 5y ago
Context: "recently" was over a decade ago, well before electronics of any sophistication could reasonably fit in such a form factor, if anyone was curious.
- nitrogen 5y ago
  well before electronics of any sophistication could reasonably fit in such a form factor What level of sophistication would be required to get an edge from a 1cm by 3-4cm cylinder of computing and batteries?
  - thenanyu 5y ago
    no one in the chess community seriously believes Anna cheated. there's been plenty of analysis e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JedouTRZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JedouTRZo
saghm 5y ago
> secret messages in yogur At first I thought "yogur" was a word from a different language, but after trying and failing to find it when searching, I have to ask: did you mean...yogurt? How does one leave a secret message in yogurt?
- dimatura 5y ago
  Under the lid, presumably.
  - compiler-guy 5y ago
    Doesn't have to be under the lid. The flavor you send could mean something like: Position not winnable, play for a draw, or "the novelty move we had planned for this position has been found to be flawed."
- stordoff 5y ago
  > When Karpov's team sent him a blueberry yogurt during a game without any request for one by Karpov, the Korchnoi team protested, claiming it could be some kind of code. They later said this was intended as a parody of earlier protests, but it was taken seriously at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1978 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1978 > On the 25th move of game 2, a waiter delivered a tray with a glass of violet colored yogurt to Karpov. After the game Leeuwerik sent a letter to Schmid protesting the yogurt. 'It is clear that a cunningly arranged distribution of edible items to one player during the game, emanating from one delegation or the other, could convey a kind of code message'. Although the letter was almost certainly tongue-in-cheek, Baturinsky took it seriously and suggested that the binoculars Leeuwerik used during the game might also convey a coded message to Korchnoi. https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/78kk$$01.htm https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/78kk$$01.htm It's also used a plot point in the musical Chess - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical)
thenanyu 5y ago
Anna Rudolph didn't cheat. Her opponent was angry at losing to a girl and made wild accusations. Also it wasn't close to "recent". A better example is Rausis from a couple of years ago — https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-cheating-phone-tournament-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-c... Cheating over the board happens frequently enough that tournaments are held with very tight controls, but monitoring is off in places like the bathroom.
- neaden 5y ago
  I know she didn't cheat, but she was accused and has shared the story several times. I thought it was more recent then that, but I suppose it just means I'm getting old.
notJim 5y ago
> cheating involving secret messages in yogur > hiring a hypnotist to be in the audience > hiding a computer in her lip balm This is the kind of thing I'd support as far as cheating being allowed. Lots of intrigue, weird custom devices, etc. Maybe someone in the audience could get one of those hyper-directional speakers going to whisper in the ear of the player. Then there becomes a second layer to the game of figuring out how the other person is cheating. I'd add the rule that the winning player must give a bond-villain style monologue about how they did it, so that we all get to enjoy it afterwards of course.

by neaden 5y ago

yifanl 5y ago

Context: "recently" was over a decade ago, well before electronics of any sophistication could reasonably fit in such a form factor, if anyone was curious.

nitrogen 5y ago
well before electronics of any sophistication could reasonably fit in such a form factor What level of sophistication would be required to get an edge from a 1cm by 3-4cm cylinder of computing and batteries?
- thenanyu 5y ago
  no one in the chess community seriously believes Anna cheated. there's been plenty of analysis e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JedouTRZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JedouTRZo

saghm 5y ago

> secret messages in yogur At first I thought "yogur" was a word from a different language, but after trying and failing to find it when searching, I have to ask: did you mean...yogurt? How does one leave a secret message in yogurt?

dimatura 5y ago
Under the lid, presumably.
- compiler-guy 5y ago
  Doesn't have to be under the lid. The flavor you send could mean something like: Position not winnable, play for a draw, or "the novelty move we had planned for this position has been found to be flawed."
stordoff 5y ago
> When Karpov's team sent him a blueberry yogurt during a game without any request for one by Karpov, the Korchnoi team protested, claiming it could be some kind of code. They later said this was intended as a parody of earlier protests, but it was taken seriously at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1978 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1978 > On the 25th move of game 2, a waiter delivered a tray with a glass of violet colored yogurt to Karpov. After the game Leeuwerik sent a letter to Schmid protesting the yogurt. 'It is clear that a cunningly arranged distribution of edible items to one player during the game, emanating from one delegation or the other, could convey a kind of code message'. Although the letter was almost certainly tongue-in-cheek, Baturinsky took it seriously and suggested that the binoculars Leeuwerik used during the game might also convey a coded message to Korchnoi. https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/78kk$$01.htm https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/78kk$$01.htm It's also used a plot point in the musical Chess - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical)

thenanyu 5y ago

Anna Rudolph didn't cheat. Her opponent was angry at losing to a girl and made wild accusations. Also it wasn't close to "recent". A better example is Rausis from a couple of years ago — https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-cheating-phone-tournament-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-c... Cheating over the board happens frequently enough that tournaments are held with very tight controls, but monitoring is off in places like the bathroom.

neaden 5y ago
I know she didn't cheat, but she was accused and has shared the story several times. I thought it was more recent then that, but I suppose it just means I'm getting old.

notJim 5y ago

> cheating involving secret messages in yogur > hiring a hypnotist to be in the audience > hiding a computer in her lip balm This is the kind of thing I'd support as far as cheating being allowed. Lots of intrigue, weird custom devices, etc. Maybe someone in the audience could get one of those hyper-directional speakers going to whisper in the ear of the player. Then there becomes a second layer to the game of figuring out how the other person is cheating. I'd add the rule that the winning player must give a bond-villain style monologue about how they did it, so that we all get to enjoy it afterwards of course.