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"commodity hardware" is a bit of a stretch there, don't you think

by dgan 5y ago

smileybarry 5y ago
But it can be run on commodity hardware, despite the fanfare over Windows 11's CPU & TPM requirements, every PC since 2017 answers that spec and every x86 PC off the shelf can run it. In that sense, it runs on commodity hardware.
- dgan 5y ago
  Yeah well, I don't call "every PC since 2017" a commodity hardware, unless I don't understand your answer. I am running my laptop since 2016 and my brother has desktop PC since 2012. The fanfare will definitely induce more waste than necessary.
  - smileybarry 5y ago
    I would consider it commodity hardware because it's what's been available now and for 4 years: it's widely-available, at a wide price range, and basically what's available generally. You can't not buy a PC that doesn't match these specs. I guess the difference is that I consider "commodity hardware" to be what's widely available off-the-shelf, not what's currently in use across everyone. But either way this is just Windows 11 compatibility, Windows 10 is still maintained and getting feature updates, e.g.: 21H2 should be offered to incompatible hardware soon. I also bet 11's minimum requirements will be lowered in the future to at least 2016. (Having owned a 2012 i5 before this one I would not recommend sticking with it forever and ever, 2018's Spectre+Meltdown mitigations made it much worse)
supernovae 5y ago
Most certainly. You can go to best buy and buy a Ryzen 2600 (not even latest gen) or splurge on a 3600 (more in stock) or get a 5600 (yeet its fast on win11), a B450 motherboard (few years old) some DDR memory, an SSD or NVME and if you're lucky enough to have a GPU or find one buy a PC on COTS parts that will install Windows 11, run fast and pass all of its requirements and it won't cost that much - especially if you price compare to other markets or buy used and upgrade as needed. Oh, and the fact you can replace your motherboard/CPU and buy Windows 11 and carry forward other hardware you have is icing on the cake

"commodity hardware" is a bit of a stretch there, don't you think

by dgan 5y ago

"commodity hardware" is a bit of a stretch there, don't you think

But it can be run on commodity hardware, despite the fanfare over Windows 11's CPU & TPM requirements, every PC since 2017 answers that spec and every x86 PC off the shelf can run it. In that sense, it runs on commodity hardware.

dgan 5y ago
Yeah well, I don't call "every PC since 2017" a commodity hardware, unless I don't understand your answer. I am running my laptop since 2016 and my brother has desktop PC since 2012. The fanfare will definitely induce more waste than necessary.
- smileybarry 5y ago
  I would consider it commodity hardware because it's what's been available now and for 4 years: it's widely-available, at a wide price range, and basically what's available generally. You can't not buy a PC that doesn't match these specs. I guess the difference is that I consider "commodity hardware" to be what's widely available off-the-shelf, not what's currently in use across everyone. But either way this is just Windows 11 compatibility, Windows 10 is still maintained and getting feature updates, e.g.: 21H2 should be offered to incompatible hardware soon. I also bet 11's minimum requirements will be lowered in the future to at least 2016. (Having owned a 2012 i5 before this one I would not recommend sticking with it forever and ever, 2018's Spectre+Meltdown mitigations made it much worse)

supernovae 5y ago

Most certainly. You can go to best buy and buy a Ryzen 2600 (not even latest gen) or splurge on a 3600 (more in stock) or get a 5600 (yeet its fast on win11), a B450 motherboard (few years old) some DDR memory, an SSD or NVME and if you're lucky enough to have a GPU or find one buy a PC on COTS parts that will install Windows 11, run fast and pass all of its requirements and it won't cost that much - especially if you price compare to other markets or buy used and upgrade as needed. Oh, and the fact you can replace your motherboard/CPU and buy Windows 11 and carry forward other hardware you have is icing on the cake