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I've been running Windows 11 since the public preview started and not once on any of the machines I'm responsible for has it rebooted without telling you it wil

I've been running Windows 11 since the public preview started and not once on any of the machines I'm responsible for has it rebooted without telling you it will be rebooting or needs to restart. During the preview, you accepted the terms that they did weekly and sometimes biweekly releases that required reboots (because they were often flighting tests of improving the process) - and since release its just been patch tuesday updates. There are no ads in start menu. There are no ads in lock screen MS Teams is just like google hangouts/chat or imessage - you can disable it if you wish but on modern OS's - they tend to favor including communications apps. Telemtry changes done via GPO have only been reverted by mistake and the policy would be re-applied if managed by a policy management system, but you can also block telemetry with NextDNS, Pi Holes and other edge network stuff if it really offens you. This is not consumer hostile. Windows 11 is a HUGE improvement for consumers. They get Windows, They Get Linux (WSL) - They're getting Android App store in beta now. They get an OS that runs on commodity hardware, that gets updated, stays current and patched. That patching typically happens on patch tuesdays - which is cyclic and predictable. It's been that way unless there is a major security patch that is an exception in which case it is best to apply it and deal with the reboots. None of which are consumer-hostile. The consumer enjoys that on a windows device they can use multiple devices and have a shared experience. That is the same demand they enjoy in Android and the same demand they enjoy in MacOS - which is why i referenced those vs say a vanilla dry linux that doesn't do that by default.

dgan 5y ago
"commodity hardware" is a bit of a stretch there, don't you think
- smileybarry 5y ago
  But it can be run on commodity hardware, despite the fanfare over Windows 11's CPU & TPM requirements, every PC since 2017 answers that spec and every x86 PC off the shelf can run it. In that sense, it runs on commodity hardware.
  - dgan 5y ago
    Yeah well, I don't call "every PC since 2017" a commodity hardware, unless I don't understand your answer. I am running my laptop since 2016 and my brother has desktop PC since 2012. The fanfare will definitely induce more waste than necessary.
    - smileybarry 5y ago
      I would consider it commodity hardware because it's what's been available now and for 4 years: it's widely-available, at a wide price range, and basically what's available generally. You can't not buy a PC that doesn't match these specs. I guess the difference is that I consider "commodity hardware" to be what's widely available off-the-shelf, not what's currently in use across everyone. But either way this is just Windows 11 compatibility, Windows 10 is still maintained and getting feature updates, e.g.: 21H2 should be offered to incompatible hardware soon. I also bet 11's minimum requirements will be lowered in the future to at least 2016. (Having owned a 2012 i5 before this one I would not recommend sticking with it forever and ever, 2018's Spectre+Meltdown mitigations made it much worse)
- supernovae 5y ago
  Most certainly. You can go to best buy and buy a Ryzen 2600 (not even latest gen) or splurge on a 3600 (more in stock) or get a 5600 (yeet its fast on win11), a B450 motherboard (few years old) some DDR memory, an SSD or NVME and if you're lucky enough to have a GPU or find one buy a PC on COTS parts that will install Windows 11, run fast and pass all of its requirements and it won't cost that much - especially if you price compare to other markets or buy used and upgrade as needed. Oh, and the fact you can replace your motherboard/CPU and buy Windows 11 and carry forward other hardware you have is icing on the cake
blibble 5y ago
> Telemtry changes done via GPO have only been reverted by mistake ah yes, like Edge keeps being reset as the default browser by "mistake" the GPO even says that the telemetry cannot be disabled on non enterprise versions

dgan 5y ago

"commodity hardware" is a bit of a stretch there, don't you think

smileybarry 5y ago
But it can be run on commodity hardware, despite the fanfare over Windows 11's CPU & TPM requirements, every PC since 2017 answers that spec and every x86 PC off the shelf can run it. In that sense, it runs on commodity hardware.
- dgan 5y ago
  Yeah well, I don't call "every PC since 2017" a commodity hardware, unless I don't understand your answer. I am running my laptop since 2016 and my brother has desktop PC since 2012. The fanfare will definitely induce more waste than necessary.
  - smileybarry 5y ago
    I would consider it commodity hardware because it's what's been available now and for 4 years: it's widely-available, at a wide price range, and basically what's available generally. You can't not buy a PC that doesn't match these specs. I guess the difference is that I consider "commodity hardware" to be what's widely available off-the-shelf, not what's currently in use across everyone. But either way this is just Windows 11 compatibility, Windows 10 is still maintained and getting feature updates, e.g.: 21H2 should be offered to incompatible hardware soon. I also bet 11's minimum requirements will be lowered in the future to at least 2016. (Having owned a 2012 i5 before this one I would not recommend sticking with it forever and ever, 2018's Spectre+Meltdown mitigations made it much worse)
supernovae 5y ago
Most certainly. You can go to best buy and buy a Ryzen 2600 (not even latest gen) or splurge on a 3600 (more in stock) or get a 5600 (yeet its fast on win11), a B450 motherboard (few years old) some DDR memory, an SSD or NVME and if you're lucky enough to have a GPU or find one buy a PC on COTS parts that will install Windows 11, run fast and pass all of its requirements and it won't cost that much - especially if you price compare to other markets or buy used and upgrade as needed. Oh, and the fact you can replace your motherboard/CPU and buy Windows 11 and carry forward other hardware you have is icing on the cake

blibble 5y ago

> Telemtry changes done via GPO have only been reverted by mistake ah yes, like Edge keeps being reset as the default browser by "mistake" the GPO even says that the telemetry cannot be disabled on non enterprise versions