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I don't think it is a fair comparison: the first benchmark was done on a AMD processor. Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the

I don't think it is a fair comparison: the first benchmark was done on a AMD processor. Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the intel option, it probably favors linux more.

kijin 5y ago
Ironically, Clear Linux is developed by Intel.
- dyingkneepad 5y ago
  It's been so many years since Clear Linux started showing up on benchmarks and beating everybody, I'm extremely disappointed that it's almost 2022 and the other distros still didn't adopt the improvements proposed by Clear. It's not like the things Clear does can't be done by Debian or Fedora or whatever, it's not like Clear is hiding their secrets from the others... Their improvements are, well, quite Clear for the others to copy.
  - jhoechtl 5y ago
    That sound interesting, can you give some/one example?
    - dyingkneepad 5y ago
      https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1810-fast-clear&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu18...
  - jraph 5y ago
    What compiler is used to build Clear Linux? I took some time to find out whether they used the Intel C Compiler or GCC (maybe with the right options) a few months ago but didn't succeed.
    - dyingkneepad 5y ago
      Edit: they use gcc. I don't know, but you could just ask on their IRC channel. My guess would be gcc.
      - stjohnswarts 5y ago
        I'm pretty sure that linux kernel has so many gcc-isms that you can't compile it with another compiler without massive changes to it.
        dyingkneepad 5y ago
        There are efforts to get it to build on clang and I would imagine it's mostly done by now, since this started years ago. But besides the Kernel there's also the whole rest of the distro. The Kernel is the easy part.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the intel option Not just Threadripper but all AMD Ryzen parts with more than one chiplet per package, as unlike Intel where the die is monolithic and all cores share the same resource pool equally, AMD's chiplet design means there are core complexes of 8 to 2 cores per chiplet in their Ryzen chips, so if the AMD chip has more than one chiplet, then the OS needs to handle the resource allocation between chiplets very accurately otherwise the performance penalty can be huge.
wing-_-nuts 5y ago
You know the ~ 10% perf penalty we all recently heard about on AMD processors? That was reputedly because MS worked so closely with intel to optimize windows for their upcoming processors that they didn't fully consider the impacts those optimizations would have on AMD. TLDR: If anything windows on intel should be more optimized.

kijin 5y ago

Ironically, Clear Linux is developed by Intel.

dyingkneepad 5y ago
It's been so many years since Clear Linux started showing up on benchmarks and beating everybody, I'm extremely disappointed that it's almost 2022 and the other distros still didn't adopt the improvements proposed by Clear. It's not like the things Clear does can't be done by Debian or Fedora or whatever, it's not like Clear is hiding their secrets from the others... Their improvements are, well, quite Clear for the others to copy.
- jhoechtl 5y ago
  That sound interesting, can you give some/one example?
  - dyingkneepad 5y ago
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1810-fast-clear&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu18...
- jraph 5y ago
  What compiler is used to build Clear Linux? I took some time to find out whether they used the Intel C Compiler or GCC (maybe with the right options) a few months ago but didn't succeed.
  - dyingkneepad 5y ago
    Edit: they use gcc. I don't know, but you could just ask on their IRC channel. My guess would be gcc.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      I'm pretty sure that linux kernel has so many gcc-isms that you can't compile it with another compiler without massive changes to it.
      - dyingkneepad 5y ago
        There are efforts to get it to build on clang and I would imagine it's mostly done by now, since this started years ago. But besides the Kernel there's also the whole rest of the distro. The Kernel is the easy part.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>Considering that Threadripper is more similar to a mini cluster than the intel option Not just Threadripper but all AMD Ryzen parts with more than one chiplet per package, as unlike Intel where the die is monolithic and all cores share the same resource pool equally, AMD's chiplet design means there are core complexes of 8 to 2 cores per chiplet in their Ryzen chips, so if the AMD chip has more than one chiplet, then the OS needs to handle the resource allocation between chiplets very accurately otherwise the performance penalty can be huge.

wing-_-nuts 5y ago

You know the ~ 10% perf penalty we all recently heard about on AMD processors? That was reputedly because MS worked so closely with intel to optimize windows for their upcoming processors that they didn't fully consider the impacts those optimizations would have on AMD. TLDR: If anything windows on intel should be more optimized.