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>If people had upload capacity, then it could have been possible to host your own backup solutions or media or personal websites. But a lot of us techies here

by jasode 5y ago

>If people had upload capacity, then it could have been possible to host your own backup solutions or media or personal websites. But a lot of us techies here have 1 Gbit dl+ul symmetric bandwidth and yet most of us would rather put source code on Github instead of self-hosting Gitlab at home. Why? Because most of us would rather do something else in our lives that's more high-priority than babysitting a git server (or self-hosted email server, or self-hosted NNTP USENET server instead of discussing stuff here on HN, etc). If (most) techies don't want to self-host, why would it be realistic to expect the mass population to self-host media or personal websites? There's another underlying reason other than upload bandwidth limitation.

maccolgan 5y ago
I self-host my own git server, and I imagine many others do too. But I also publish all my repositories on GitHub (my git server syncs one way to GH) too, you know why? Because discovery is entirely fucking broken for self-hosted stuff. Nobody would ever fucking see your self-hosted content. Search engines are broken for code discovery because of sheer inaccuracy and SEO spam. And that aside my git server is IPv6-only.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
Perhaps at this very moment in time there is another reason, but lack of upload bandwidth is a structural reason, a necessary but not sufficient parameter. Without that, we cannot move forward. It is possible for me to envision a past or future where 90%+ percent of people have fiber to the home and we would have developed hardware and software to be able to route around the major cloud providers, including peer to peer software and hardware that works like appliances. We started with computers that only people invested a lot of time into understanding could use, and now we have iPads and iPhones that people generally cannot break and are much simpler and can be swapped out. I do not see why that type of future would not be possible if everyone had significant upload capacity at home (and having ipv6 and not being stuck behind CGNAT).

by jasode 5y ago

maccolgan 5y ago

I self-host my own git server, and I imagine many others do too. But I also publish all my repositories on GitHub (my git server syncs one way to GH) too, you know why? Because discovery is entirely fucking broken for self-hosted stuff. Nobody would ever fucking see your self-hosted content. Search engines are broken for code discovery because of sheer inaccuracy and SEO spam. And that aside my git server is IPv6-only.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

Perhaps at this very moment in time there is another reason, but lack of upload bandwidth is a structural reason, a necessary but not sufficient parameter. Without that, we cannot move forward. It is possible for me to envision a past or future where 90%+ percent of people have fiber to the home and we would have developed hardware and software to be able to route around the major cloud providers, including peer to peer software and hardware that works like appliances. We started with computers that only people invested a lot of time into understanding could use, and now we have iPads and iPhones that people generally cannot break and are much simpler and can be swapped out. I do not see why that type of future would not be possible if everyone had significant upload capacity at home (and having ipv6 and not being stuck behind CGNAT).