5 ms·
Russia according to the previous deductions of the US government about this group
by rvnx 5y ago
Russia according to the previous deductions of the US government about this group
- chrisseaton 5y agoRussia isn't a nation-state though.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- cronix 5y agoPedantic arguments don't change the substance.
- ssklash 5y agoWhat do you mean by this? Is it because they didn't explicitly say "The Russian Federation"? Because we both know that's exactly what they meant, and that it is most certainly a nation-state.
- chrisseaton 5y agoA nation-state is a state that perfectly aligns with a nationality. Hence nation-state. A nation that is also a state. The Russian Federation is a state with many nationalities within its borders. So it isn't a nation-state. Other classic examples of non-nation-states are the UK and the US. https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-a-nation-state https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-a-nation-state
- ssklash 5y agoI think you misunderstand the use of nation-state in the context of threat actors then. It simply means government backed, as opposed to a private entity like a ransomware gang or NSO Group. Splitting hairs about nationalities is irrelevant when talking about who is behind a cyberattack.
- KoftaBob 5y ago> It simply means government backed, as opposed to a private entity like a ransomware gang or NSO Group. I would be incredibly surprised if Israel's intelligence didn't make use of NSO tech, especially since their founders came right out of Unit 8200, their military intelligence cyber warfare division.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- chrisseaton 5y agoIf you don't mean 'nation-state' then why use that very specific technical word instead of just saying 'country'? It's like saying 'I saw a 2019 Ford Focus in blue' and then when someone points out it was actually a green Dodge saying 'well I just meant any car why are you splitting hairs'.
- ssklash 5y agoIn cybersecurity, and in the attribution of cyberattacks especially, nation-state actor is a very specific technical word. Words mean different things in different fields, and in this case the word is very clear and obvious in conveying what is intended, which is a government backed threat actor.
- rvnx 5y agohttps://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/uploads/securityprod/2021/10/nation-state-actors-map.png https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/uploads/securityprod... From this map, you can clearly see that Microsoft uses nation-state and country interchangeably
- dragonwriter 5y ago> If you don't mean 'nation-state' then why use that very specific technical word Nation-state has at least two specific uses in its field of origin (political science), which are closely linked conceptually though very different. It can mean either a state that is approximately one-to-one with a nation as became something of a European norm after after the Peace of Westphalia, or it can be the structural kind of sovereign that became the norm in the same space after the peace of Westphalia (a synonym for the latter sense is “Westphalian sovereign”). When the context is more legal/structural the latter use dominates, when it leans more to the social the former use does. The cybersecurity use matches the latter use.
- SahAssar 5y agoCould you give examples of states that you consider to be nation states? It seems like there must be a sliding scale, and basically any state would fail a "perfectly aligns" test, so I'm guessing there is some lesser definition to go by.
- chrisseaton 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#In_practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#In_practice
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y agoIn the context of cybersecurity this term has a specific meaning and refers to an adversary that has the highest level of resources usually attributed to a state.