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The newest unsupported laptop is from 2015. I mean maybe there has been longer support for previous operating systems but I'm not sure anyone would be calling "

The newest unsupported laptop is from 2015. I mean maybe there has been longer support for previous operating systems but I'm not sure anyone would be calling "six years old" "pretty recent". Six years, incidentally, matches the age of their oldest phone that is still supported by the latest iOS, the 6s. And... different people buy devices at different times. What are they supposed to do to satisfy your standards, release one laptop every eight years?

Mikeb85 5y ago
> And... different people buy devices at different times. What are they supposed to do to satisfy your standards, release one laptop every eight years? Not constantly break and re-implement standards. Just stick with a nice evolutionary product line. It's a known marketing tactic to constantly introduce useless features in order to push more units. Also, the standard for PCs is that support basically never ends, you can always install the newest OS until the computer literally can't run it anymore.
- scarface74 5y ago
  What feature did they “break” by adding HDMI and an SD card slot? And supporting features forever and backwards compatibility explains why there are a million hacks in Windows and why MS moves so slowly.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    Linux supports more hardware than either (including tons of legacy stuff) and moves quicker than either. Their removal of the function row and removal of slots was supposed to be a feature, now they've gone back. In reality they're just changing shit for the sake of it, so the faithful feel compelled to always upgrade.
    - scarface74 5y ago
      Has it really “moved faster” in a way that helps users? The Touch Bar was supposed to be an enhancement and increase functionality (which it did) users didn’t like it. Should Apple not have tried or should it have stuck to its guns? How is not having the Touch Bar on new Macs “obsoleting” old Macs? As far as HDMI, having four USB C ports was more versatile than having three USB C/Thunderbolt ports. However the reality is that while you could use a dongle, it was more convenient to have an HDMI port. But how did adding an HDMI 2 port “obsolete” having four USB C ports?
      - maccolgan 5y ago
        Why did they not alpha/beta test? Or is that against the Apple culture? Did they really have to publish an entire line publicly ?
        scarface74 5y ago
        How do you alpha and beta test hardware? Should they have designed a few thousand MacBooks with Touch Bar’s and all USB C ports and given them away? What hardware company does that?

Mikeb85 5y ago

> And... different people buy devices at different times. What are they supposed to do to satisfy your standards, release one laptop every eight years? Not constantly break and re-implement standards. Just stick with a nice evolutionary product line. It's a known marketing tactic to constantly introduce useless features in order to push more units. Also, the standard for PCs is that support basically never ends, you can always install the newest OS until the computer literally can't run it anymore.

scarface74 5y ago
What feature did they “break” by adding HDMI and an SD card slot? And supporting features forever and backwards compatibility explains why there are a million hacks in Windows and why MS moves so slowly.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Linux supports more hardware than either (including tons of legacy stuff) and moves quicker than either. Their removal of the function row and removal of slots was supposed to be a feature, now they've gone back. In reality they're just changing shit for the sake of it, so the faithful feel compelled to always upgrade.
  - scarface74 5y ago
    Has it really “moved faster” in a way that helps users? The Touch Bar was supposed to be an enhancement and increase functionality (which it did) users didn’t like it. Should Apple not have tried or should it have stuck to its guns? How is not having the Touch Bar on new Macs “obsoleting” old Macs? As far as HDMI, having four USB C ports was more versatile than having three USB C/Thunderbolt ports. However the reality is that while you could use a dongle, it was more convenient to have an HDMI port. But how did adding an HDMI 2 port “obsolete” having four USB C ports?
    - maccolgan 5y ago
      Why did they not alpha/beta test? Or is that against the Apple culture? Did they really have to publish an entire line publicly ?
      - scarface74 5y ago
        How do you alpha and beta test hardware? Should they have designed a few thousand MacBooks with Touch Bar’s and all USB C ports and given them away? What hardware company does that?