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Sure. I've edited my comment to indicate that the application "eases" the limiting of movement of people within the EU. It serves no other purpose.

jkaplowitz 5y ago
It doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.
- NoPie 5y ago
  It would be great, if the certificate was enough to show at the boarding gate to be able to travel. However, this is not the case – the countries still require to fill long poorly developed forms with a lot of private information. Some of these forms (Latvian forms) doesn't even check the certificate, only asks to check the box that you have one. It could be worse without the certificate for sure. But I don't think that all this extra effort to set up the system, to deal with falsifications etc. was worth it. The EU could simply make a law requiring to accept the vaccination proof of any country and that would be it.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation". That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky.
  - jkaplowitz 5y ago
    > The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation" You misunderstand both my comment and the regulation then. That regulation increases the protection of freedom of movement and restricts the degree to which member states can limit that freedom. For example, member states can't choose to give more freedoms to people vaccinated with Pfizer than AstraZeneca, or privilege people with their own national certificate over those issued by other EU member states, or apply tighter COVID movement restrictions third-country nationals like me who have an EU DCC (France issued mine based on a US vaccination series) as compared to EU citizens who hold one. It purely helps movement rights. The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. > That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". > If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky. It's basically the same as the yellow fever vaccine requirements to visit several African countries, just logistically easier, more temporary, and with an explicit ban on countries specifically requiring the EU DCC as mandatory entry paperwork instead of also accepting alternatives.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Who exactly are you an ally to? Certainly not "marginalized groups", as you create them. You refer to "that regulation", as opposed to referring to the entire body of legislation that is relevant. So many weasel words and specious arguments in so few(?) characters.
      - jkaplowitz 5y ago
        Well that attack came out of nowhere. I'm not going to continue discussing with someone who has switched from substantive conversation to insults.
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    - jkaplowitz 5y ago
      Self-reply to correct an important typo after the end of the edit window: > The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. I meant "easier to enforce", in the sense of further restricting movement of people who national decisions decide should be subject to further restrictions, when I wrote "harder to enforce" above.

jkaplowitz 5y ago

It doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.

NoPie 5y ago
It would be great, if the certificate was enough to show at the boarding gate to be able to travel. However, this is not the case – the countries still require to fill long poorly developed forms with a lot of private information. Some of these forms (Latvian forms) doesn't even check the certificate, only asks to check the box that you have one. It could be worse without the certificate for sure. But I don't think that all this extra effort to set up the system, to deal with falsifications etc. was worth it. The EU could simply make a law requiring to accept the vaccination proof of any country and that would be it.
chitowneats 5y ago
The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation". That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky.
- jkaplowitz 5y ago
  > The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation" You misunderstand both my comment and the regulation then. That regulation increases the protection of freedom of movement and restricts the degree to which member states can limit that freedom. For example, member states can't choose to give more freedoms to people vaccinated with Pfizer than AstraZeneca, or privilege people with their own national certificate over those issued by other EU member states, or apply tighter COVID movement restrictions third-country nationals like me who have an EU DCC (France issued mine based on a US vaccination series) as compared to EU citizens who hold one. It purely helps movement rights. The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. > That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". > If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky. It's basically the same as the yellow fever vaccine requirements to visit several African countries, just logistically easier, more temporary, and with an explicit ban on countries specifically requiring the EU DCC as mandatory entry paperwork instead of also accepting alternatives.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Who exactly are you an ally to? Certainly not "marginalized groups", as you create them. You refer to "that regulation", as opposed to referring to the entire body of legislation that is relevant. So many weasel words and specious arguments in so few(?) characters.
    - jkaplowitz 5y ago
      Well that attack came out of nowhere. I'm not going to continue discussing with someone who has switched from substantive conversation to insults.
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  - jkaplowitz 5y ago
    Self-reply to correct an important typo after the end of the edit window: > The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. I meant "easier to enforce", in the sense of further restricting movement of people who national decisions decide should be subject to further restrictions, when I wrote "harder to enforce" above.