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On average, black kids in America get treated worse by our schools, their parents have a harder time getting loans, including mortgages, are far less likely to

On average, black kids in America get treated worse by our schools, their parents have a harder time getting loans, including mortgages, are far less likely to have attended university themselves, are more likely to be harassed, abused by the police, are more likely to be arrested, more liklely to get prison sentences for the same crimes, etc. It's not a level playing field, at all. Over generations, these differences add up like interest on a mortgage.

greenail 5y ago
'All current performance gaps show "racism," if you just redefine racism to mean "current performance gaps."' -Wilfred Reilly
hawk_ 5y ago
all of that should reflect in economic indicators of parents and their say marital status/history etc... - you shouldn't need an imprecise proxy like race to level the playing field.
- CapitalistCartr 5y ago
  Race isn't a proxy, Marital status is. Race(ism) is the root problem. Even the kids of middle class and wealthy blacks suffer the same abuse by the white system.
  - ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
    > Racism is the root problem. Is this a falsifiable hypothesis, or is it akin to Russel's teapot? In order to be meaningful, a statement must be falsifiable: What experiment could convince you that racism is not a root cause? I ask because it seems like whenever there is a racially polarized disparity in outcomes it is blamed on racism, no matter the polarity of the disparity, no matter whether race is really needed as part of the mechanism that creates the racial disparity. For example, gentrification in the United States is often attributed to systemic racism. However, despite only having one significant race, Korea and Japan also exhibit cycles of gentrification which harm the economic underclasses, completely independent of a "white system". So, have you looked at all the other potential root causes and ruled them out?
  - infamia 5y ago
    The system you're describing treats Sasha and Malia Obama as disadvantaged, while handicapping Hmong people because they're Asian. How can we assert that race is anything but a proxy when the system you're defending screws things up this badly? Race homogenizes unique individuals into vague, ill-fitting, predefined groups, and ultimately hammers many square pegs into round holes uncaring of the damage it causes.

greenail 5y ago

'All current performance gaps show "racism," if you just redefine racism to mean "current performance gaps."' -Wilfred Reilly

hawk_ 5y ago

all of that should reflect in economic indicators of parents and their say marital status/history etc... - you shouldn't need an imprecise proxy like race to level the playing field.

CapitalistCartr 5y ago
Race isn't a proxy, Marital status is. Race(ism) is the root problem. Even the kids of middle class and wealthy blacks suffer the same abuse by the white system.
- ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
  > Racism is the root problem. Is this a falsifiable hypothesis, or is it akin to Russel's teapot? In order to be meaningful, a statement must be falsifiable: What experiment could convince you that racism is not a root cause? I ask because it seems like whenever there is a racially polarized disparity in outcomes it is blamed on racism, no matter the polarity of the disparity, no matter whether race is really needed as part of the mechanism that creates the racial disparity. For example, gentrification in the United States is often attributed to systemic racism. However, despite only having one significant race, Korea and Japan also exhibit cycles of gentrification which harm the economic underclasses, completely independent of a "white system". So, have you looked at all the other potential root causes and ruled them out?
- infamia 5y ago
  The system you're describing treats Sasha and Malia Obama as disadvantaged, while handicapping Hmong people because they're Asian. How can we assert that race is anything but a proxy when the system you're defending screws things up this badly? Race homogenizes unique individuals into vague, ill-fitting, predefined groups, and ultimately hammers many square pegs into round holes uncaring of the damage it causes.