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It doesn't limit travel - those decisions are still made by each country individually with some guidance from the EU. The EU does not have control over what COV

It doesn't limit travel - those decisions are still made by each country individually with some guidance from the EU. The EU does not have control over what COVID entry requirements a country sets, beyond making recommendations. All the document and its regulation do is say, "if you impose entry requirements based on vaccination / testing / recovery, you must accept at least these types of vaccines / tests / recovery specifics and you must accept this document (if genuine) as proving what it says, and all of this on a non-discriminatory basis regardless of nationality or place of occurrence." The document itself is never made mandatory by the EU and alternative proofs for entry to a member state must be accepted. (Why do I say "document" instead of app? From the user perspective, you can print it on paper, present it as a PDF, or use one of many interoperable national apps among other ways to present it.) So, the restrictions you're unhappy about are imposed by countries in reaction to COVID; the document we're discussing just sets some minimum allowed level of ease in satisfying national entry requirements.

chitowneats 5y ago
Sure. I've edited my comment to indicate that the application "eases" the limiting of movement of people within the EU. It serves no other purpose.
- jkaplowitz 5y ago
  It doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.
  - NoPie 5y ago
    It would be great, if the certificate was enough to show at the boarding gate to be able to travel. However, this is not the case – the countries still require to fill long poorly developed forms with a lot of private information. Some of these forms (Latvian forms) doesn't even check the certificate, only asks to check the box that you have one. It could be worse without the certificate for sure. But I don't think that all this extra effort to set up the system, to deal with falsifications etc. was worth it. The EU could simply make a law requiring to accept the vaccination proof of any country and that would be it.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation". That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky.
    - jkaplowitz 5y ago
      > The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation" You misunderstand both my comment and the regulation then. That regulation increases the protection of freedom of movement and restricts the degree to which member states can limit that freedom. For example, member states can't choose to give more freedoms to people vaccinated with Pfizer than AstraZeneca, or privilege people with their own national certificate over those issued by other EU member states, or apply tighter COVID movement restrictions third-country nationals like me who have an EU DCC (France issued mine based on a US vaccination series) as compared to EU citizens who hold one. It purely helps movement rights. The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. > That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". > If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky. It's basically the same as the yellow fever vaccine requirements to visit several African countries, just logistically easier, more temporary, and with an explicit ban on countries specifically requiring the EU DCC as mandatory entry paperwork instead of also accepting alternatives.
      - chitowneats 5y ago
        Who exactly are you an ally to? Certainly not "marginalized groups", as you create them. You refer to "that regulation", as opposed to referring to the entire body of legislation that is relevant. So many weasel words and specious arguments in so few(?) characters.
        jkaplowitz 5y ago

chitowneats 5y ago

Sure. I've edited my comment to indicate that the application "eases" the limiting of movement of people within the EU. It serves no other purpose.

jkaplowitz 5y ago
It doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.
- NoPie 5y ago
  It would be great, if the certificate was enough to show at the boarding gate to be able to travel. However, this is not the case – the countries still require to fill long poorly developed forms with a lot of private information. Some of these forms (Latvian forms) doesn't even check the certificate, only asks to check the box that you have one. It could be worse without the certificate for sure. But I don't think that all this extra effort to set up the system, to deal with falsifications etc. was worth it. The EU could simply make a law requiring to accept the vaccination proof of any country and that would be it.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation". That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky.
  - jkaplowitz 5y ago
    > The parent comment was correct. The app, in and of itself, is just a tool. Your comment gives this away by including the clause "and the associated regulation" You misunderstand both my comment and the regulation then. That regulation increases the protection of freedom of movement and restricts the degree to which member states can limit that freedom. For example, member states can't choose to give more freedoms to people vaccinated with Pfizer than AstraZeneca, or privilege people with their own national certificate over those issued by other EU member states, or apply tighter COVID movement restrictions third-country nationals like me who have an EU DCC (France issued mine based on a US vaccination series) as compared to EU citizens who hold one. It purely helps movement rights. The number of COVID entry restrictions which are made harder to enforce by the EU DCC or its associated regulation is zero. > That being said, it is a tool built for a single purpose. "Papers, please". > If we're lucky, the scope of use for this tool will not expand. I don't like having to get lucky. It's basically the same as the yellow fever vaccine requirements to visit several African countries, just logistically easier, more temporary, and with an explicit ban on countries specifically requiring the EU DCC as mandatory entry paperwork instead of also accepting alternatives.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Who exactly are you an ally to? Certainly not "marginalized groups", as you create them. You refer to "that regulation", as opposed to referring to the entire body of legislation that is relevant. So many weasel words and specious arguments in so few(?) characters.
      - jkaplowitz 5y ago