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> some might say due to bad writing Anybody can come up with a new language that happily condenses the concepts you need to have in your new world, but forcing

by toyg 5y ago

> some might say due to bad writing Anybody can come up with a new language that happily condenses the concepts you need to have in your new world, but forcing the reader to read an encyclopedia to decipher it is just lazy. You are meant to weave the explanations in your narrative, so the reader picks them up seamlessly. It's a bit like building a UI that is unusable without reading a boring manual.

globular-toast 5y ago
> You are meant to There are no rules except "be good". I've thoroughly enjoyed Dune every time I've read it and it had quite a profound effect on me as a youngster. There are countless thousands just like me and you can't argue with that really. > It's a bit like building a UI that is unusable without reading a boring manual. Well, I think the purpose of a UI is slightly different to that of a novel. One exists to be useful while other exists to be enjoyable. If it's useful it's useful. Doesn't matter if it requires a manual or not.
- toyg 5y ago
  McDonald's is also enjoyable and enjoyed by millions, it's still not "good food"; as I always say, that sort of reasoning leads to us eating shit because billions of flies cannot be wrong (cit). The best part of Dune is clearly the worldbuilding rather than the prose. Yes it can be used, and the software is great when you get to know how it works, but there is a learning curve that similar software does not have.
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    Your reasoning contains the same assumptions, just in the other direction. You seem to be saying that if masses of people enjoy something it must be “bad” on some level.
    - toyg 5y ago
      Nope, not said that anywhere above; just that popularity is not necessarily the be-all and end-all of literary quality.
      - long_time_gone 5y ago
        > I always say, that sort of reasoning leads to us eating shit because billions of flies cannot be wrong (cit). You didn't make the distinction "is not necessarily" in your first comment. That changes the connotation.
amcoastal 5y ago
There's plenty of exposition in Dune. I never used the glossary once. People familiar with fantasy and SciFi have no problems absorbing weird names and such at face value with the idea that context will be added as exposition continues. Looking up each term you don't know in the glossary is actually the wrong way to read these types of books. Youll be presented with information that you shouldn't know yet.

by toyg 5y ago

globular-toast 5y ago

> You are meant to There are no rules except "be good". I've thoroughly enjoyed Dune every time I've read it and it had quite a profound effect on me as a youngster. There are countless thousands just like me and you can't argue with that really. > It's a bit like building a UI that is unusable without reading a boring manual. Well, I think the purpose of a UI is slightly different to that of a novel. One exists to be useful while other exists to be enjoyable. If it's useful it's useful. Doesn't matter if it requires a manual or not.

toyg 5y ago
McDonald's is also enjoyable and enjoyed by millions, it's still not "good food"; as I always say, that sort of reasoning leads to us eating shit because billions of flies cannot be wrong (cit). The best part of Dune is clearly the worldbuilding rather than the prose. Yes it can be used, and the software is great when you get to know how it works, but there is a learning curve that similar software does not have.
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  Your reasoning contains the same assumptions, just in the other direction. You seem to be saying that if masses of people enjoy something it must be “bad” on some level.
  - toyg 5y ago
    Nope, not said that anywhere above; just that popularity is not necessarily the be-all and end-all of literary quality.
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      > I always say, that sort of reasoning leads to us eating shit because billions of flies cannot be wrong (cit). You didn't make the distinction "is not necessarily" in your first comment. That changes the connotation.

amcoastal 5y ago

There's plenty of exposition in Dune. I never used the glossary once. People familiar with fantasy and SciFi have no problems absorbing weird names and such at face value with the idea that context will be added as exposition continues. Looking up each term you don't know in the glossary is actually the wrong way to read these types of books. Youll be presented with information that you shouldn't know yet.