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As someone who loves Denis Villeneuve I did all that, although I felt "left behind" throughout the movie, because I didn't read the books. Visually amazing, but

As someone who loves Denis Villeneuve I did all that, although I felt "left behind" throughout the movie, because I didn't read the books. Visually amazing, but I was sad I couldn't appreciate it the way it could have been.

robotbikes 5y ago
As someone who remembers watching the Lynch directors cut at a 24 sci-fi marathon and had no clue what was going on I felt like this movie did a good job introducing the world building without dwelling too much on the details. The various factions made sense and if I want more there are a lot of books to dive into.
- Freak_NL 5y ago
  'A lot' is painfully subjective in this case. Depending on the school of thought there is just the one book (Dune); the six books by Frank Herbert; or those, plus all the output of Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. The implication being that not all books may appeal to everyone who enjoyed Dune (the book).
  - throwaway17_17 5y ago
    I am really looking forward to being able to spend some time in forums and with friends over the coming months (and years given how often I talk about the things I like over and over again) and see how the feelings for the Dune(2021) film correspond to peoples feelings on which books are a part of the series. I am waiting to see the film until this weekend, so I will have to take my own impressions as a baseline and look forward to discussions and arguments on Dune saving from a dreadfully boring winter.
saberdancer 5y ago
I've read the books but so long ago I forgot almost all about it (I remember the sandworms and that I liked it). What did you feel left behind about?
- nervousvarun 5y ago
  Perspective of books reader/movies watcher but wife hasn't read the books: The "big picture politics" of the Landsraad coupled with the power of the Guild and Bene Geserit...is the biggest thing missing. It's all only hinted at. When you read the books you realize how all these different factions sortof work as checks and balances on each other. If you haven't read the books, it just seems like it would be impossible to understand why anything is happening "big picture". It just seems like bad stuff is happening to the good guys.
- pferdone 5y ago
  The Bene Gesserit was something I couldn't quite get a grip on, the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have, when they came to Arrakis, the different houses and their relationships... I had a lot of moments where felt I was missing context, because the scenes presented themself as "important" but I couldn't figure it out in that moment. Sometimes later in the movie some context was given, but during those scenes I felt "lost". I will certainly give it rewatch, maybe even read the books now.
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    > the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have, when they came to Arrakis In the modern age we don't have much 'pomp and circumstance', but in an aristocratic society that generally tends to be more prevalent. It helps to show people's place in the hierarchy of things. See for example the "Sir Jean" scene from The Last Duel (set in 1386): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEoUgrOxHfc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEoUgrOxHfc
  - kofejnik 5y ago
    >the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have I feel they should have had about two orders of magnitude more than that, they're the rulers from the stars, appointed by the emperor, they rule multiple worlds and have interstellar ships, and are some of the most important people in the whole Empire. This was my biggest disappointment with the movie - they rule many worlds, but it doesn't feel that way from how they're treated. They don't vet even their closest people (like, for real, you don't know your personal doc has his family held hostage by your enemy?). Some mid-level businessmen in Russia probably have better security setup than the House of Atreides; and their posse is more fitting for some aging Hollywood actor. Seriously, they just go move to the new planet, no planetary patrols, border guards, space legions, no nothing - really cavalier about the whole thing, all while fully expecting their rivals to attack. No wonder they got caught with their pants down basically.
inanutshellus 5y ago
To be fair, "overwhelmed" is how one feels reading the book; we're given SO MUCH all at once. Competing cultures. Strange names. Prophecy. Paul is referred to in 4 or 5 different ways... it's a lot to take in. The movie was the same way. They explain everything, but there's a LOT to explain so they say it once and move on. One constantly feels "behind" and then, at the end, you feel this "wow" sensation of the scale of squeezing all that lore and world-building and storytelling and philosophy into one book.
- kybernetikos 5y ago
  > Prophecy Don't worry too much about the prophecy. It's mainly fake, the extent to which it's not fake is that the Bene Gesserit take seriously the idea that the best way to predict the future is to invent it.
denton-scratch 5y ago
That's too bad :-( That's a failing of the Lynch film too. You were supposed to have read the book.

robotbikes 5y ago

As someone who remembers watching the Lynch directors cut at a 24 sci-fi marathon and had no clue what was going on I felt like this movie did a good job introducing the world building without dwelling too much on the details. The various factions made sense and if I want more there are a lot of books to dive into.

Freak_NL 5y ago
'A lot' is painfully subjective in this case. Depending on the school of thought there is just the one book (Dune); the six books by Frank Herbert; or those, plus all the output of Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. The implication being that not all books may appeal to everyone who enjoyed Dune (the book).
- throwaway17_17 5y ago
  I am really looking forward to being able to spend some time in forums and with friends over the coming months (and years given how often I talk about the things I like over and over again) and see how the feelings for the Dune(2021) film correspond to peoples feelings on which books are a part of the series. I am waiting to see the film until this weekend, so I will have to take my own impressions as a baseline and look forward to discussions and arguments on Dune saving from a dreadfully boring winter.

saberdancer 5y ago

I've read the books but so long ago I forgot almost all about it (I remember the sandworms and that I liked it). What did you feel left behind about?

nervousvarun 5y ago
Perspective of books reader/movies watcher but wife hasn't read the books: The "big picture politics" of the Landsraad coupled with the power of the Guild and Bene Geserit...is the biggest thing missing. It's all only hinted at. When you read the books you realize how all these different factions sortof work as checks and balances on each other. If you haven't read the books, it just seems like it would be impossible to understand why anything is happening "big picture". It just seems like bad stuff is happening to the good guys.
pferdone 5y ago
The Bene Gesserit was something I couldn't quite get a grip on, the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have, when they came to Arrakis, the different houses and their relationships... I had a lot of moments where felt I was missing context, because the scenes presented themself as "important" but I couldn't figure it out in that moment. Sometimes later in the movie some context was given, but during those scenes I felt "lost". I will certainly give it rewatch, maybe even read the books now.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have, when they came to Arrakis In the modern age we don't have much 'pomp and circumstance', but in an aristocratic society that generally tends to be more prevalent. It helps to show people's place in the hierarchy of things. See for example the "Sir Jean" scene from The Last Duel (set in 1386): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEoUgrOxHfc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEoUgrOxHfc
- kofejnik 5y ago
  >the gravitas house Atreides' arrival seemed to have I feel they should have had about two orders of magnitude more than that, they're the rulers from the stars, appointed by the emperor, they rule multiple worlds and have interstellar ships, and are some of the most important people in the whole Empire. This was my biggest disappointment with the movie - they rule many worlds, but it doesn't feel that way from how they're treated. They don't vet even their closest people (like, for real, you don't know your personal doc has his family held hostage by your enemy?). Some mid-level businessmen in Russia probably have better security setup than the House of Atreides; and their posse is more fitting for some aging Hollywood actor. Seriously, they just go move to the new planet, no planetary patrols, border guards, space legions, no nothing - really cavalier about the whole thing, all while fully expecting their rivals to attack. No wonder they got caught with their pants down basically.

inanutshellus 5y ago

To be fair, "overwhelmed" is how one feels reading the book; we're given SO MUCH all at once. Competing cultures. Strange names. Prophecy. Paul is referred to in 4 or 5 different ways... it's a lot to take in. The movie was the same way. They explain everything, but there's a LOT to explain so they say it once and move on. One constantly feels "behind" and then, at the end, you feel this "wow" sensation of the scale of squeezing all that lore and world-building and storytelling and philosophy into one book.

kybernetikos 5y ago
> Prophecy Don't worry too much about the prophecy. It's mainly fake, the extent to which it's not fake is that the Bene Gesserit take seriously the idea that the best way to predict the future is to invent it.

denton-scratch 5y ago

That's too bad :-( That's a failing of the Lynch film too. You were supposed to have read the book.