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EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen
- ChemSpider 5y agoTechnical issues aside, the EU Green pass is a gigantic success. Super easy travel across Europe and all other participating countries.
- pbak 5y agoI swallowed a Mmmemberberry, and this came back to me : "I was 20 years old, before the USofA Congress voted for the Patriot Act. I was about to travel a short 1h hop by plane, and I walked directly to the gate from the parking, right in front of the plane. I presented my password and ticket to the attendant, and boarded." That's it. Nothing more to this memory.
- chitowneats 5y ago"Super easy travel" is not how I would describe an application designed to ease the limiting of movement of people based on medical status.
- Uberphallus 5y agoObviously it's super easy compared with the restrictions before. Pre-green pass I basically carried a thick folder as I crossed multiple countries, each with different restrictions and translation requirements.
- mrtksn 5y ago>limit the movement of people based on medical status That's literally the idea behind fighting contagious diseases, widely used to defend islands and castles before the vaccines. People used to wait in ships for weeks before they can embark. We used to have castles insulated to keep an outbreak out of it's population. Through the history of humanity, countless people were lost to contagious diseases. The Green Pass thingy is essentially an enabler to open up the castle and let sailors embark without waiting for weeks to see if if they will get sick or not. It's a management tool to relieve the hardships of contagious diseases fighting methods. So let's not confuse the causality here.
- wait_a_minute 5y agoWhen are the participating countries going to get rid of it? When is the pandemic over?
- mrtksn 5y agoThe virus didn't gave us an ETA of its demise. It will probably stay longer than ideal since not every country in the Europe has high vaccination rates as Portugal. It's seriously puzzling to see he immense belief in the governments power. How on earth one can demand a specific day for removal of management tools against the natural processes?
- jokethrowaway 5y agoIt's not about the virus disappearing, it's about governments accepting that people die of diseases and COVID is just another one.
- mrtksn 5y agoI spoke to the government, they concur. People in fact die from diseases that are not limited to Covid-19. What now?
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- jkaplowitz 5y agoIt doesn't limit travel - those decisions are still made by each country individually with some guidance from the EU. The EU does not have control over what COVID entry requirements a country sets, beyond making recommendations. All the document and its regulation do is say, "if you impose entry requirements based on vaccination / testing / recovery, you must accept at least these types of vaccines / tests / recovery specifics and you must accept this document (if genuine) as proving what it says, and all of this on a non-discriminatory basis regardless of nationality or place of occurrence." The document itself is never made mandatory by the EU and alternative proofs for entry to a member state must be accepted. (Why do I say "document" instead of app? From the user perspective, you can print it on paper, present it as a PDF, or use one of many interoperable national apps among other ways to present it.) So, the restrictions you're unhappy about are imposed by countries in reaction to COVID; the document we're discussing just sets some minimum allowed level of ease in satisfying national entry requirements.
- chitowneats 5y agoSure. I've edited my comment to indicate that the application "eases" the limiting of movement of people within the EU. It serves no other purpose.
- jkaplowitz 5y agoIt doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.
- NoPie 5y agoIt would be great, if the certificate was enough to show at the boarding gate to be able to travel. However, this is not the case – the countries still require to fill long poorly developed forms with a lot of private information. Some of these forms (Latvian forms) doesn't even check the certificate, only asks to check the box that you have one. It could be worse without the certificate for sure. But I don't think that all this extra effort to set up the system, to deal with falsifications etc. was worth it. The EU could simply make a law requiring to accept the vaccination proof of any country and that would be it.
- wait_a_minute 5y agoWhen are the participating countries going to get rid of it? When is the pandemic over?
- toyg 5y agoIf transmission rates stay under 1 over the winter, I would expect (hope) next summer we can kill it for good. Not gonna happen, sadly, as long as there are irresponsible neighbours like the UK, where I sadly happen to live (for my sins).
- NoPie 5y agoIrresponsible country was Latvia (EU country) who barely managed to vaccinate only half of its elderly so far. The government was completely inefficient, they did not even allowed to send a letter in Russian, in a country where nearly half of population are Russian speakers. Now they just had to reintroduce a strict lockdown for another month. I think they well deserved it.
- wait_a_minute 5y agoWhat percentage of your population has antibodies from any source? In the USA, the majority of us now have antibodies from vaccination or past infection. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253987048.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article25398704... "More than 80% of Americans have coronavirus antibodies acquired through infection or vaccination, according to a new study of over 1.4 million blood donations across the U.S."
- ushakov 5y agoNot when your certificate starts to expire every 6 months like in Israel
- ho_schi 5y agoIt is a success for the European Union. Not for the Europeans! I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people. But why is it not a success for Europeans? We had super easy travel before Covid - no borders - free settlement, travel and work. You've just carry your ID with you. Regarding the stolen keys? I'm afraid similar things will happen again and again. At least the apps in Germany feel to work okay, also autonomous and offline. But relying blindly more on digitization (technology) will make things prone to errors. How many days since a BIG IT company failed hard? https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-somehow-got-their-rootkit-a-microsoft-issued-digital-signature/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-somehow-got-their-root... (english) Six! Okay. But it is only Microsoft? The others won't fail? Did you said Facebook? How many days since Facebook accidentally removed itself entirely from the internet? We don't need more digitization - we need a lot better computing and not more of it.
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- hagbard_c 5y ago> I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people - I'm well-trained and prefer to be around well-trained people - I'm classically educated and prefer to be around classically educated people - I'm an atheist and prefer to be around atheists - I'm Christian and prefer to be around Christians - I'm Hindu and prefer to be around Hindus - I'm Muslim and prefer to be around Muslims - I'm vegetarian and prefer to be around vegetarians - I'm anarchist and prefer to be around anarchists - I'm <category> and prefer to be around <category> Notice the segregated society this attitude creates? Now look in some history books - real ones, not political propaganda pieces - and see how this type of us-versus-them society tends to end up. I'm vaccinated and I don't give a damn about whether people around me are vaccinated or not. I'm atheist and like to mingle with Christians, Hindus, Muslims and what have you. I'm left-handed and still willing to shake your hand (remember that, shaking hands?). I'm open to the world, not just to my own in-group. I might not agree with many of the doctrines of those Muslims nor some of those Christians or Hindus, I might sometimes be annoyed at how utensils are tailored to right-handed people but I'm not going to segregate myself into an atheist, left-handed, classically educated, ... group just because of such trivial quibbles. Also, SARS2 is not a big threat to vaccinated people. Why the hysteria? Did you act this way during one of the influenza pandemics? If not, then why treat this disease differently?
- NoPie 5y agoIt is a tragedy as it has legitimised total control. In Latvia you cannot enter the shop without showing the certificate and passport. The control is even worse than during Soviet times.
- soco 5y agoThe Soviets didn't have pandemics, but look at the measures imposed by the Chinese for a hint.
- ajsnigrutin 5y agoSo... from just driving across the border, it's got "super easy", by having to stop at every border crossing, "papers please", and "medical papers please"? I've traveled through the balkan in the 90s, and it was easier then, than now. And even during the war times, the travel was more consistent, and I didn't have to check the border crossing rules every day, because they didn't change that often.
- toyg 5y agoThis is not meant to be a "forever" state of things, hopefully we'll go back to basic Schengen rules when the emergency subsides. Sadly the virus is what it is, and compartimentalising systems as much as possible is necessary to fight it.
- ajsnigrutin 5y agoYes, just 14 days to flatten the curve.
- toyg 5y agoIf everyone had locked down hard in those fateful months of last year, like China did, we wouldn't be here. But we didn't, and so we are here.
- ajsnigrutin 5y agoAustralia did just that... and then someone caughed across the border, and they did it again.. and again.. and again. And australia is an island, compared to europe, where people literally live, work and shop in different countries.
- WinstonSmith84 5y agoYes. And add Thailand to the list. full lockdown almost 2 years long, not a case, population goes into (even more) poverty as tourists are excluded. Then they open and... oops..
- selmapatty 5y agoYou think medical surveillance and segregation is a ”gigantic success”? Think again. I would understand if the treatments actually prevented transmission altogether.
- jokethrowaway 5y agoAre we travelling in the same continent? Travel is a huge PITA in Europe. Tons of different ever changing regulations, not to mention expensive tests from tons of unreliable newly-sprung companies with little reputation. I had to book tests in advance and sometimes on returns. It's a massive pain and tourism was heavily impacted. I wish the government would pay for this stupid bureaucracy instead it's small businesses which are going to die. The US implemented it correctly: you're vaccinated -> you can travel without hassle.
- sam_lowry_ 5y agoUnless you are a European.
- h0nd 5y agoI think Schengen Area is there for that and it worked much better and easier.
- WinstonSmith84 5y agoAbsolutely agree, now traveling outside of Europe is as easy as between European regions, this is so much more consistent!
- fsflover 5y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29011537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29011537
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- bilekas 5y agoIn the original article, the picture shows exactly how the internet would react : https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/tecnologia/software_app/2021/10/27/sottratte-chiavi-per-generare-green-pass-ue_e239c260-812a-4836-b9d1-4c65ea20f77a.html https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/tecnologia/software_app/202... By generating Adolf Hitlers GreenPass ..
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>By generating Adolf Hitlers GreenPass .. TBH that is pretty hitlarious :) Though it could get you in trouble in Austria and Germany.
- NoPie 5y agoI think that the point – to show that the certificate system is about total nazi style control.
- ChuckNorris89 5y agoI think you're wrong here. They're not showing any Nazi style control, just hackers often display their results in ways that are edgy in order to draw attention to themselves from the mainstream media.
- NoPie 5y agoWell, they could have chosen the name of EU president or some head of the state, or Jesus. This one is selected with a message on top of all this attention seeking.
- ChuckNorris89 5y agoNobody cares who the EU president is, but everyone in the word knows who Adolf Hitler was, so it's an edgy and effective way to grab headlines.
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- etothepii 5y agoAnd there are those that want to move our entire fiat money system on to digital ledgers. I'll pass thanks.
- sschueller 5y agoWho says the feds system can't be hacked and extra money couldn't be created? It's one central authority, crypto doesn't have to be.
- jokethrowaway 5y agoIt's because the feds are already the biggest thieves in the world, they already created 40% of all dollars in the last 12 months - they don't fear small competitors.
- tata71 5y agoThey're already on digital ledgers, not sure how you think governments move billions to banks each and every night.
- over_the_raibow 5y agoHe talks about the plan to create digital blockchain coins by the central banks, official crypto coins. There are aleady talks about this, and most central banks are working on it.
- raverbashing 5y agoThe keys are revocable and replaceable (and it was probably a member state set of keys), so it shouldn't be too big of a deal
- mr_mitm 5y agoDepends on how many certificates become invalid now.
- Uberphallus 5y agoYeah, if half-smart, certificates should expire relatively frequently to contain damage in such a scenario.
- WinstonSmith84 5y agoAre you suggesting that a few hundreds millions certificate shall be re-issued, distributed either in person, or per email, or even per post for some countries? Sounds easy :-)
- radicalbyte 5y agoI am part of the team working on the EU-DCC, and am very active in the community (we're a proper open source project). I cannot comment on this myself, but it looks like my health ministry has: https://nos.nl/liveblog/2403253-ook-in-duitsland-stijgt-aantal-besmettingen-burgemeesters-urk-en-staphorst-doen-oproep https://nos.nl/liveblog/2403253-ook-in-duitsland-stijgt-aant...
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- EamonnMR 5y agoOof, non-english gdpr popup. Not sure which option I'm supposed to select.
- gpderetta 5y agoI'm italian and still had trouble. Anyway, I think the right options are Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A.
- enzino 5y agolet's index millions of people's personal and health data, including their exposure to dna-altering drugs that might have health repercussions for years afterwards... and secure them so well than some kid can create and sign a record for a mister adolf Hitler. what can go wrong?
- Uberphallus 5y agoWhere's the DNA altering drug? Sounds cool.
- laurensr 5y agoThe myth about vaccines equaling gene therapy has been debunked multiple times [1]. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene-idUSL1N2PH16N https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene-id...
- enzino 5y agogetting debunkers' attention, these days, is proof enough that the claim is true. this is not even controversial lol. "vaccines" manufacturers itself describe them as rna vectors. modeRNA has it in its name and stock ticker. it's surprising how stupid propagandists are.