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Compared to this though? "Ikea has for years sold children’s furniture made from wood linked to vast illegal logging in protected Russian forests, an Earthsigh

Compared to this though? "Ikea has for years sold children’s furniture made from wood linked to vast illegal logging in protected Russian forests, an Earthsight investigation has found." https://www.earthsight.org.uk/news/press-release-illegal-russian-wood-hidden-inside-ikea-children-furniture https://www.earthsight.org.uk/news/press-release-illegal-rus...

Ma8ee 5y ago
So IKEA bought lumber certified by FSC, which at least until recently was a well renowned organisation. Apparently FSC shouldn't have certified this particular lumber. "FSC denies wrongdoing, but shortly after being alerted to our findings Bakurov’s certificate was abruptly terminated on 15 Jun 2021." This might be a scandal with FSC, but hardly with IKEA. I don't expect every company to themselves track every piece of raw material back to the sources. They must be allowed to outsource some of that.
arketyp 5y ago
I was not implying anything very factually based, just a decision based on people's perception. Like the ban on plastic straws.
- mattowen_uk 5y ago
  In this day and age, peoples perception is everything, and facts seem to be unimportant.
  - Ma8ee 5y ago
    Facts, like that IKEA used certified lumber so they had very good reasons to believe that they used sustainable resources? Or that this scandal doesn't have anything to do with IKEA, but it seems like everyone that bought wood from that part of the world probably are as big part of it? They really tried to make it look like it was about IKEA children's furniture!, but if you actual read the article you linked it has actually very little to do with IKEA and there's nothing there that says IKEA did anything reprehensible or even anything that is hard to defend.
    - mattowen_uk 5y ago
      Dude, I was agreeing with you. I linked that article, because I recall it in the news, and it got fairly widely covered at the time with the blame firmly placed at IKEAs feet - "They should have known" apparently. People believe what they are told these days, without any desire to fact-check or cross-reference. I think this was my point.

Ma8ee 5y ago

So IKEA bought lumber certified by FSC, which at least until recently was a well renowned organisation. Apparently FSC shouldn't have certified this particular lumber. "FSC denies wrongdoing, but shortly after being alerted to our findings Bakurov’s certificate was abruptly terminated on 15 Jun 2021." This might be a scandal with FSC, but hardly with IKEA. I don't expect every company to themselves track every piece of raw material back to the sources. They must be allowed to outsource some of that.

arketyp 5y ago

I was not implying anything very factually based, just a decision based on people's perception. Like the ban on plastic straws.

mattowen_uk 5y ago
In this day and age, peoples perception is everything, and facts seem to be unimportant.
- Ma8ee 5y ago
  Facts, like that IKEA used certified lumber so they had very good reasons to believe that they used sustainable resources? Or that this scandal doesn't have anything to do with IKEA, but it seems like everyone that bought wood from that part of the world probably are as big part of it? They really tried to make it look like it was about IKEA children's furniture!, but if you actual read the article you linked it has actually very little to do with IKEA and there's nothing there that says IKEA did anything reprehensible or even anything that is hard to defend.
  - mattowen_uk 5y ago
    Dude, I was agreeing with you. I linked that article, because I recall it in the news, and it got fairly widely covered at the time with the blame firmly placed at IKEAs feet - "They should have known" apparently. People believe what they are told these days, without any desire to fact-check or cross-reference. I think this was my point.