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No True Scotsman isn’t what you think it is. > No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their universal g

No True Scotsman isn’t what you think it is. > No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their universal generalization from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly. (Wikipedia) “It doesn’t work because you’re doing it wrong” is not an example of the fallacy. (For example: “A: Light bulbs suck because they don’t light up when you smash them into your head. B: That’s not how lightbulbs work. A: No True Scotsman!” Yeah, no.)

trhway 5y ago
Classic double down on the Scotsman by a consultant right from Agile consultants training. Original version for commenter below as he is making an issue out of the edit: "Classic double down on the Scotsman by a consultant"
- jdlshore 5y ago
  You’re being pretty offensive to someone who you don’t know, and who has only been polite to you. (Note: thrway edited their comment after I responded.)
  - trhway 5y ago
    Another classic from the snake oil pushers - trying to deflect criticism by painting it as personal offense. I don't know you and said nothing about you outside of what you just posted here. I met a lot of consultants pushing the stuff like you and I'm talking about that stuff that they and you push and how they and you do it.
corpMaverick 5y ago
Thanks James. I have to admit that I struggle with the "No true Scotsman" argument. I think that in the case of Agile, there is a set of principles and values clearly defining what it is. For a project to be Agile it needs to follow these. (Most projects ignore them and they just follow some Scrum practices). Just saying that you are Agile doesn't make it so.
- trhway 5y ago
  >I think that in the case of Agile, there is a set of principles and values clearly defining what it is. For a project to be Agile it needs to follow these. Yep, these islanders build airstrip and related infrastructure following good engineering practices, yet no cargo comes. Instead comes a consultant with his "No cargo because you're doing it wrong", and now they build the airstrip under his guidance following Agile principles. Still no cargo. The consultant continues with his "No cargo means what you're still doing it wrong" ... The Agile is the epitome of a cargo-cult.

trhway 5y ago

Classic double down on the Scotsman by a consultant right from Agile consultants training. Original version for commenter below as he is making an issue out of the edit: "Classic double down on the Scotsman by a consultant"

jdlshore 5y ago
You’re being pretty offensive to someone who you don’t know, and who has only been polite to you. (Note: thrway edited their comment after I responded.)
- trhway 5y ago
  Another classic from the snake oil pushers - trying to deflect criticism by painting it as personal offense. I don't know you and said nothing about you outside of what you just posted here. I met a lot of consultants pushing the stuff like you and I'm talking about that stuff that they and you push and how they and you do it.

corpMaverick 5y ago

Thanks James. I have to admit that I struggle with the "No true Scotsman" argument. I think that in the case of Agile, there is a set of principles and values clearly defining what it is. For a project to be Agile it needs to follow these. (Most projects ignore them and they just follow some Scrum practices). Just saying that you are Agile doesn't make it so.

trhway 5y ago
>I think that in the case of Agile, there is a set of principles and values clearly defining what it is. For a project to be Agile it needs to follow these. Yep, these islanders build airstrip and related infrastructure following good engineering practices, yet no cargo comes. Instead comes a consultant with his "No cargo because you're doing it wrong", and now they build the airstrip under his guidance following Agile principles. Still no cargo. The consultant continues with his "No cargo means what you're still doing it wrong" ... The Agile is the epitome of a cargo-cult.