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They can't be critical while living there due to fear of disappearing forever on account of criticizing China or CCP

vmception 5y ago
also important to understand that many people are not living in fear there and are comfortable. this seems to be a point that other people in the west seem not willing to believe. a loose analogy would be that its not dissimilar from living in a theme park and understanding that you can't watch porn there or criticize the owners, and a whole host of other arbitrary prohibitions that we are only used to seeing in private sector. most of the other inhabitants in said theme park wouldn't have cared or thought of doing the things that are forbidden and also simply don't expect for a different kind of governing structure to exist. that doesn't mean that people disappearing (under a form of due process we just happen to not respect) is being condoned, no different than people disappearing in a theme park and being beat up by security would be condoned. its all important to understand.
- lifeplusplus 5y ago
  Question was that why do people turn critical once they leave, answer to which is they can't be critical if it has potential to upend your life permanently. The fact people are living there happily has no relation to the points being discussed. Cattles can live a long happy life too, doesn't mean they are free, just happy. As long as you follow the rules set by authoritative govt you do have an ability to live an uneventful life.
  - vmception 5y ago
    okay, yes, that was the question. Right, we know they also can't be critical as almost any questioning would be seen as criticism and violate that part of the constitution. But to do a complete 180 is different than merely being annoyed that the society doesn't support the slightest criticism.
    - lifeplusplus 5y ago
      Them being foreigners they are on very thin ice to do any meaningful criticism. You can pretend otherwise, but as a foreigner you already being monitored 24/7. And just few words away from your life being turned upside down. So yea it makes sense all "influencers" only speak up once they have taken care of their affairs so that China govt is no longer easily hurt them.

also important to understand that many people are not living in fear there and are comfortable. this seems to be a point that other people in the west seem not willing to believe. a loose analogy would be that its not dissimilar from living in a theme park and understanding that you can't watch porn there or criticize the owners, and a whole host of other arbitrary prohibitions that we are only used to seeing in private sector. most of the other inhabitants in said theme park wouldn't have cared or thought of doing the things that are forbidden and also simply don't expect for a different kind of governing structure to exist. that doesn't mean that people disappearing (under a form of due process we just happen to not respect) is being condoned, no different than people disappearing in a theme park and being beat up by security would be condoned. its all important to understand.

lifeplusplus 5y ago
Question was that why do people turn critical once they leave, answer to which is they can't be critical if it has potential to upend your life permanently. The fact people are living there happily has no relation to the points being discussed. Cattles can live a long happy life too, doesn't mean they are free, just happy. As long as you follow the rules set by authoritative govt you do have an ability to live an uneventful life.
- vmception 5y ago
  okay, yes, that was the question. Right, we know they also can't be critical as almost any questioning would be seen as criticism and violate that part of the constitution. But to do a complete 180 is different than merely being annoyed that the society doesn't support the slightest criticism.
  - lifeplusplus 5y ago
    Them being foreigners they are on very thin ice to do any meaningful criticism. You can pretend otherwise, but as a foreigner you already being monitored 24/7. And just few words away from your life being turned upside down. So yea it makes sense all "influencers" only speak up once they have taken care of their affairs so that China govt is no longer easily hurt them.