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I don't really agree, I think it was great. I'm really glad it's not GoT style, and that it's more austere, cold in a way, as I think it's a better fit for the

by Zababa 5y ago

I don't really agree, I think it was great. I'm really glad it's not GoT style, and that it's more austere, cold in a way, as I think it's a better fit for the story. I don't think it failed to engage the audience emotionally, but rather that you personally failed to engage with it. Same thing with the lack of backstory, I don't have many memories of the Lynch one and had no trouble following. I think maybe you are used to a certain style of movie that Dune differs from, and thus have a hard time with it?

robbedpeter 5y ago
Yes. A better style of movie, that engages in storytelling, and not shallow highlights riffing off the experience of the book, with sufficient razzle dazzle to make people who haven't read the book follow along. The power of Dune is the interwoven plots, not the linear narrative the movie attempts. It wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good.
- Zababa 5y ago
  I think trying to find the book in the movie is useless, there's already the book for that, and the movie can't really be better at being a book than the book. I don't have many memories of Dune, but I have still strong ones of Hyperion, and I don't think I would ever be satisfied by a movie that attemps to be just the book. On the other hand, I would be fine with Villeneuve adapting it with his usual style (though maybe Hyperion is a bit too organic for his style? It's hard to say). > A better style of movie > It wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good. I think it was great.
Jtsummers 5y ago
Foundation (on Apple TV) seems to be trying to GoT-ify the books, and not for the better in some cases (characters are less thoughtful, more action-hero, kind of weird choices). Dune (2021) at least avoided that, but it really needed more dialog. There are a lot of ponderous and beautiful scenes and soundscapes + landscapes, what Villeneuve is great at (it's in all of his movies that I've seen, and an element I greatly enjoy). However, watching it with a friend he had more questions than answers by the end, and not just because it was the first half of the book (and the first of the original 6 books). More dialog with a bit more explanation, which could easily have fit into the movie with its long scenes just watching people stand there and look contemplative or worried without extending the total runtime. The pair of movies may work well as a whole, but this movie is not a terribly good standalone film.
- Zababa 5y ago
  That might be a personal preference but I don't mind movies that take more investment to really get. Some things you'll understand by watching it a few more times, some things you'll get by reading the book, some things you'll get by learning about the movie itself. Some things also take time to digest.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    I liked the time spent on the visuals and music. It was dialogue that was missing. Long scenes that would not have been any cheaper or more expensive if characters had just spoken. Shadout, for instance, never got to be a real character. One scene of dialog, I think. Others suffered similarly.
    - Zababa 5y ago
      A long scene with dialogue is not the same as a long scene without it though.
- imbnwa 5y ago
  Foundation is verging on CW-level sci-fi writing
- jordanthoms 5y ago
  2001: A Space Odyssey is (imo) the greatest film of all time, and it's just about incomprehensible on first viewing and explains nothing. So while it might not be the best commercial move I'm personally very happy with telling the story with less dialogue.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    Dune was good, it wasn’t 2001 good. But even 2001 did a better job (up to the trippy end at least) of storytelling.
alanwreath 5y ago
By GoT style - I’m referring to time being taken to tell the story. Not necessarily in the style of GoT. I should have been more explicit there. Heck I guess I could have supplanted it with “A series of unfortunate events” style . My point was that it takes time to explore the characters and give the audience (readers or not) a chance to connect with the characters.
- alanwreath 5y ago
  An important note, I have read all of Dune, all the way up to the God Emperor. I wasn’t expecting the movie to be as good as the book. However, the feeling I get from the experience is lost opportunity. We won’t get another rendition of Dune probably in our lifetimes. Would have been nice if it was given more screen time / there’s a lot of good story there and if this movie is any indication all we’ll get is a couple deep stares by the protagonists with no context.

by Zababa 5y ago

robbedpeter 5y ago

Yes. A better style of movie, that engages in storytelling, and not shallow highlights riffing off the experience of the book, with sufficient razzle dazzle to make people who haven't read the book follow along. The power of Dune is the interwoven plots, not the linear narrative the movie attempts. It wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good.

Zababa 5y ago
I think trying to find the book in the movie is useless, there's already the book for that, and the movie can't really be better at being a book than the book. I don't have many memories of Dune, but I have still strong ones of Hyperion, and I don't think I would ever be satisfied by a movie that attemps to be just the book. On the other hand, I would be fine with Villeneuve adapting it with his usual style (though maybe Hyperion is a bit too organic for his style? It's hard to say). > A better style of movie > It wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good. I think it was great.

Jtsummers 5y ago

Foundation (on Apple TV) seems to be trying to GoT-ify the books, and not for the better in some cases (characters are less thoughtful, more action-hero, kind of weird choices). Dune (2021) at least avoided that, but it really needed more dialog. There are a lot of ponderous and beautiful scenes and soundscapes + landscapes, what Villeneuve is great at (it's in all of his movies that I've seen, and an element I greatly enjoy). However, watching it with a friend he had more questions than answers by the end, and not just because it was the first half of the book (and the first of the original 6 books). More dialog with a bit more explanation, which could easily have fit into the movie with its long scenes just watching people stand there and look contemplative or worried without extending the total runtime. The pair of movies may work well as a whole, but this movie is not a terribly good standalone film.

Zababa 5y ago
That might be a personal preference but I don't mind movies that take more investment to really get. Some things you'll understand by watching it a few more times, some things you'll get by reading the book, some things you'll get by learning about the movie itself. Some things also take time to digest.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  I liked the time spent on the visuals and music. It was dialogue that was missing. Long scenes that would not have been any cheaper or more expensive if characters had just spoken. Shadout, for instance, never got to be a real character. One scene of dialog, I think. Others suffered similarly.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    A long scene with dialogue is not the same as a long scene without it though.
imbnwa 5y ago
Foundation is verging on CW-level sci-fi writing
jordanthoms 5y ago
2001: A Space Odyssey is (imo) the greatest film of all time, and it's just about incomprehensible on first viewing and explains nothing. So while it might not be the best commercial move I'm personally very happy with telling the story with less dialogue.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Dune was good, it wasn’t 2001 good. But even 2001 did a better job (up to the trippy end at least) of storytelling.

alanwreath 5y ago

By GoT style - I’m referring to time being taken to tell the story. Not necessarily in the style of GoT. I should have been more explicit there. Heck I guess I could have supplanted it with “A series of unfortunate events” style . My point was that it takes time to explore the characters and give the audience (readers or not) a chance to connect with the characters.

alanwreath 5y ago
An important note, I have read all of Dune, all the way up to the God Emperor. I wasn’t expecting the movie to be as good as the book. However, the feeling I get from the experience is lost opportunity. We won’t get another rendition of Dune probably in our lifetimes. Would have been nice if it was given more screen time / there’s a lot of good story there and if this movie is any indication all we’ll get is a couple deep stares by the protagonists with no context.