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> Getting Lisp to run as fast as C takes major effort when at all possible. But Lisp is faster than almost every widely used language that's not C/C++/Rust, ar

> Getting Lisp to run as fast as C takes major effort when at all possible. But Lisp is faster than almost every widely used language that's not C/C++/Rust, around Java speed. > Lisp needs a lot of space to do it's thing; and while it's certainly possible to downsize it, you're left with something that's not really Lisp anymore Dunno, by modern standards it seems pretty small. > Finding solid libraries is tricky since it's not very popular professionally. Ish. Because it's so mature, lots of code works even it it's not updated constantly. There's code out there for most use cases, at least for back-end-y things. > Unleashing the full power of Lisp in a diverse team is a recipe for an adventure, if not disaster So enforce coding standards. This isn't a negative and lots of us work alone or in small teams. Honestly, the only reason I don't mainly use Lisp is because I use an even slower/easier language because I don't really need a performant language. But if I find a problem where I want more performance Lisp is probably the next stop.

Zababa 5y ago
> There's code out there for most use cases, at least for back-end-y things. I'm not sure about that. These days in the backend you need a lot of libraries for cloud providers and new databases/services. For example, is there a Common Lisp library for AWS/Azure/Google cloud? Is there one for Clickhouse?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  I've come across Common Lisp SDKs for AWS, there's Heroku build packs, there's Kubernetes clients listed on Kubernetes' website, etc... Clickhouse doesn't have an official CL client but they have a CLI, TCP and HTML interfaces, C++ interface, etc... all listed on their website. It's not that hard to connect to an API without a library. But yes, there's more Java/Python/Go/Ruby/JS stuff pre-built than Common Lisp. But you'll also find more CL stuff out there than almost any esoteric language, probably because it's easy to build stuff in CL.
- tincholio 5y ago
  Related to this, there's an AWS SDK for Clojure [0] (created by the same people who are behind Clojure), which is generated from the AWS specs themselves. Carmine, a popular Clojure library for Redis does something very similar. There's also a library for generating SDKs from Swagger specs [2]. I implemented a similar solution (generating Python bindings for some of our APIs from Postman exports), and it was super simple, really. I suspect doing the same in CL would be similarly simple. [0] https://github.com/cognitect-labs/aws-api https://github.com/cognitect-labs/aws-api [1] https://github.com/ptaoussanis/carmine https://github.com/ptaoussanis/carmine [2] https://github.com/oliyh/martian https://github.com/oliyh/martian

Zababa 5y ago

> There's code out there for most use cases, at least for back-end-y things. I'm not sure about that. These days in the backend you need a lot of libraries for cloud providers and new databases/services. For example, is there a Common Lisp library for AWS/Azure/Google cloud? Is there one for Clickhouse?

Mikeb85 5y ago
I've come across Common Lisp SDKs for AWS, there's Heroku build packs, there's Kubernetes clients listed on Kubernetes' website, etc... Clickhouse doesn't have an official CL client but they have a CLI, TCP and HTML interfaces, C++ interface, etc... all listed on their website. It's not that hard to connect to an API without a library. But yes, there's more Java/Python/Go/Ruby/JS stuff pre-built than Common Lisp. But you'll also find more CL stuff out there than almost any esoteric language, probably because it's easy to build stuff in CL.
tincholio 5y ago
Related to this, there's an AWS SDK for Clojure [0] (created by the same people who are behind Clojure), which is generated from the AWS specs themselves. Carmine, a popular Clojure library for Redis does something very similar. There's also a library for generating SDKs from Swagger specs [2]. I implemented a similar solution (generating Python bindings for some of our APIs from Postman exports), and it was super simple, really. I suspect doing the same in CL would be similarly simple. [0] https://github.com/cognitect-labs/aws-api https://github.com/cognitect-labs/aws-api [1] https://github.com/ptaoussanis/carmine https://github.com/ptaoussanis/carmine [2] https://github.com/oliyh/martian https://github.com/oliyh/martian