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Even having it for adults is quite dystopian to me! If the vaccine is voluntary then businesses should not force others to have it. Edit: I’d also add of cours

Even having it for adults is quite dystopian to me! If the vaccine is voluntary then businesses should not force others to have it. Edit: I’d also add of course government entities or government-owned institutions such as schools! I’ve heard that some public high schools in California will require a vaccination card!, which, in my opinion, is quite extreme.

lghh 5y ago
Businesses should not be forced to do business with someone they don't want to do business with.
- trevcanhuman 5y ago
  Fair enough, but couldn’t a ban on people who do not have the vaccine be considered as discrimination ? Since when does an ice cream shop ask you if you already had your flu shot ?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Discrimination by itself is perfectly legal. I can refuse to do business with redheads, or vegans, or people whose name is Bob. Discrimination based on certain specific categories is illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group
    - trevcanhuman 5y ago
      Wow, I did not know that. I honestly don't know how to make a counterargument to this.
  - pfarrell 5y ago
    Covid-19 is not the flu.
    - trevcanhuman 5y ago
      But won't herd immunity become a thing with covid-19 ?
    - verdverm 5y ago
      It is also not measles or mumps, and arguably much closer to the flu than the aforementioned. Some vaccines confer life time immunity and others reduce severity.
ryanobjc 5y ago
Every kid already has a vaccine card. This is one ore row on it. A lot of hyperbole for something that’s been here for the better part of a century.
- trevcanhuman 5y ago
  Yes, but I'd consider it extreme for businesses and other entities who do not need that personal information ask for it, I also have some sort of vaccination record but I rarely take it out or show it to someone.
acdha 5y ago
> I’ve heard that some public high schools in California will require a vaccination card!, which, in my opinion, is quite extreme. Do you have children? Public schools have had vaccination requirements going back to the middle of the 19th Century. If you live in California, starting before kindegarten students are required to be vaccinated against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, varicella, Haemophilus influenzae, measles, mumps, and rubella. They also recommend Hep B and meningococcal vaccines but the latter are only required for college students. https://www.shotsforschool.org/k-12/ https://www.shotsforschool.org/k-12/ This is true in most of the civilized world because vaccines have changed those diseases from something my parents' generation knew as the reason why the neighbor kid died or was crippled for life to something you learn about in history class.
- trevcanhuman 5y ago
  > Do you have children? Public schools have had vaccination requirements going back to the middle of the 19th Century. No, I’m a teenager. I didn’t know vaccination requirements were that strict/common. I vaguely remember being asked about it maybe in elementary school but right now I’m in high school and I wasn’t asked any of that to enter (for context, I go to a private high school in Mexico).
  - acdha 5y ago
    This might be of interest: note that the first U.S. government vaccine mandate was in 1777, which George Washington required smallpox inoculation for the soldiers, and the first school mandate was in 1855: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all I would suspect that you would probably have heard about this in a public school and it's also possible that this was handled by your parents without you being aware of it. It's very routine here — my son would have no idea this had happened since his doctor's office sends the records directly to the school nurse.
    - peteradio 5y ago
      Wouldn't the analog of George Washington intentionally exposing his soldiers to small pox be more similar to getting covid on purpose?

lghh 5y ago

Businesses should not be forced to do business with someone they don't want to do business with.

trevcanhuman 5y ago
Fair enough, but couldn’t a ban on people who do not have the vaccine be considered as discrimination ? Since when does an ice cream shop ask you if you already had your flu shot ?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Discrimination by itself is perfectly legal. I can refuse to do business with redheads, or vegans, or people whose name is Bob. Discrimination based on certain specific categories is illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group
  - trevcanhuman 5y ago
    Wow, I did not know that. I honestly don't know how to make a counterargument to this.
- pfarrell 5y ago
  Covid-19 is not the flu.
  - trevcanhuman 5y ago
    But won't herd immunity become a thing with covid-19 ?
  - verdverm 5y ago
    It is also not measles or mumps, and arguably much closer to the flu than the aforementioned. Some vaccines confer life time immunity and others reduce severity.

ryanobjc 5y ago

Every kid already has a vaccine card. This is one ore row on it. A lot of hyperbole for something that’s been here for the better part of a century.

trevcanhuman 5y ago
Yes, but I'd consider it extreme for businesses and other entities who do not need that personal information ask for it, I also have some sort of vaccination record but I rarely take it out or show it to someone.

acdha 5y ago

> I’ve heard that some public high schools in California will require a vaccination card!, which, in my opinion, is quite extreme. Do you have children? Public schools have had vaccination requirements going back to the middle of the 19th Century. If you live in California, starting before kindegarten students are required to be vaccinated against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, varicella, Haemophilus influenzae, measles, mumps, and rubella. They also recommend Hep B and meningococcal vaccines but the latter are only required for college students. https://www.shotsforschool.org/k-12/ https://www.shotsforschool.org/k-12/ This is true in most of the civilized world because vaccines have changed those diseases from something my parents' generation knew as the reason why the neighbor kid died or was crippled for life to something you learn about in history class.

trevcanhuman 5y ago
> Do you have children? Public schools have had vaccination requirements going back to the middle of the 19th Century. No, I’m a teenager. I didn’t know vaccination requirements were that strict/common. I vaguely remember being asked about it maybe in elementary school but right now I’m in high school and I wasn’t asked any of that to enter (for context, I go to a private high school in Mexico).
- acdha 5y ago
  This might be of interest: note that the first U.S. government vaccine mandate was in 1777, which George Washington required smallpox inoculation for the soldiers, and the first school mandate was in 1855: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all I would suspect that you would probably have heard about this in a public school and it's also possible that this was handled by your parents without you being aware of it. It's very routine here — my son would have no idea this had happened since his doctor's office sends the records directly to the school nurse.
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Wouldn't the analog of George Washington intentionally exposing his soldiers to small pox be more similar to getting covid on purpose?