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I mostly disagree, I would like ECE to offer both a career for those that pursue it and a certain level of professionalism that I would not expect out of essent

I mostly disagree, I would like ECE to offer both a career for those that pursue it and a certain level of professionalism that I would not expect out of essentially a babysitter. But, what's more important here is that, as it is currently, many fast food restaurants both require less and pay significantly more than ECE. The idea that this is simply a licensing problem is just incorrect.

ksdale 5y ago
Perhaps a level of professionalism that you would expect from someone working at a fast food restaurant? The fact that fast food restaurants can require less and pay more than ECE makes it sound exactly like a licensing problem. As a father of 4, I think a person cannot possibly be professional enough to be super effective at teaching anything to 30 kids at a time, but anyone with a bit of diligence and a few basic techniques can teach something to a handful of kids at a time, so I'd lean towards getting a lot more people into the field while relaxing education/licensing requirements. But besides that, it sounds like there are just a lot more people who are attracted to ECE as a career, so the powers that be can pay less while demanding more education. That's a harder problem to solve.
- ravitation 5y ago
  >Perhaps a level of professionalism that you would expect from someone working at a fast food restaurant? Uh, no. That's why I disagreed initially... I certainly don't have the same expectation of professionalism from someone handing me a burger and fries as compared with someone taking care of my kids for hours everyday (or multiple days a week). >The fact that fast food restaurants can require less and pay more than ECE makes it sound exactly like a licensing problem. Uh, also no? The article discusses this... Removing licensing requirements generally drives down wages... And, since wages are the primary problem already, how could this possibly be a licensing problem? >As a father of 4, I think a person cannot possibly be professional enough to be super effective at teaching anything to 30 kids at a time, but anyone with a bit of diligence and a few basic techniques can teach something to a handful of kids at a time, so I'd lean towards getting a lot more people into the field while relaxing education/licensing requirements. Even ignoring education, I expect more from simply an interaction and safety perspective for those that would care for my kids than from, for example, a fast food restaurant worker. >But besides that, it sounds like there are just a lot more people who are attracted to ECE as a career, so the powers that be can pay less while demanding more education. That's a harder problem to solve. Well the actual problem is that there is an enormous ECE worker shortage... Because of wages (and that it's a relatively difficult job compared with, for example, working in fast food)... Which is the entire problem... Which isn't going to be solved by removing licensing requirements (i.e. wages are not going to go up with fewer/no licensing requirements)...

ksdale 5y ago

Perhaps a level of professionalism that you would expect from someone working at a fast food restaurant? The fact that fast food restaurants can require less and pay more than ECE makes it sound exactly like a licensing problem. As a father of 4, I think a person cannot possibly be professional enough to be super effective at teaching anything to 30 kids at a time, but anyone with a bit of diligence and a few basic techniques can teach something to a handful of kids at a time, so I'd lean towards getting a lot more people into the field while relaxing education/licensing requirements. But besides that, it sounds like there are just a lot more people who are attracted to ECE as a career, so the powers that be can pay less while demanding more education. That's a harder problem to solve.

ravitation 5y ago
>Perhaps a level of professionalism that you would expect from someone working at a fast food restaurant? Uh, no. That's why I disagreed initially... I certainly don't have the same expectation of professionalism from someone handing me a burger and fries as compared with someone taking care of my kids for hours everyday (or multiple days a week). >The fact that fast food restaurants can require less and pay more than ECE makes it sound exactly like a licensing problem. Uh, also no? The article discusses this... Removing licensing requirements generally drives down wages... And, since wages are the primary problem already, how could this possibly be a licensing problem? >As a father of 4, I think a person cannot possibly be professional enough to be super effective at teaching anything to 30 kids at a time, but anyone with a bit of diligence and a few basic techniques can teach something to a handful of kids at a time, so I'd lean towards getting a lot more people into the field while relaxing education/licensing requirements. Even ignoring education, I expect more from simply an interaction and safety perspective for those that would care for my kids than from, for example, a fast food restaurant worker. >But besides that, it sounds like there are just a lot more people who are attracted to ECE as a career, so the powers that be can pay less while demanding more education. That's a harder problem to solve. Well the actual problem is that there is an enormous ECE worker shortage... Because of wages (and that it's a relatively difficult job compared with, for example, working in fast food)... Which is the entire problem... Which isn't going to be solved by removing licensing requirements (i.e. wages are not going to go up with fewer/no licensing requirements)...