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Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the

Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the actual hardware. I like the idea of not having to worry about hardware when I'm more interested in software. But there's a certain amount of control that's given up when you relinquish ownership of the hardware. I don't like the idea of paying for things in a service model. I'm approaching this from a personal perspective, not a business perspective. I'm completely comfortable with reducing my business's risk and liability by buying into hardware as a service. But I'm not as inclined to trust it for personal computing.

aviatorspoon 5y ago
> Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the actual hardware. This is the point that the author makes in the second part of their post. Quote: "The dutifully critical part of me wants to shout: you shouldn’t trust these slabs! Their operators, G — and A — and M — and the rest, will surely betray you. The very signature of the corporate internet is the way it slips from your grasp. The leviathans swim off in pursuit new markets, and what do they leave you with? Deprecation notices."
- toss1 5y ago
  Yup, it's kind of the analogue of: "Not your keys, not your coin" So, something like: "not your chips, not your code"? This also really reminds me of the absolute squandering of resources by "modern" systems - old x86 DOS systems with 1/16,000 the memory and processing power were literally more responsive for everyday use than the mountians of framework junk we run on today. There is a lot of headroom left to downsize and create very useful machines.
  - infogulch 5y ago
    "not your chips, not your data" & "not your software, not your data"
    - toss1 5y ago
      definite improvement!
- drdeca 5y ago
  I misread this as “the operators G, A, and M” rather than “their”, and thought that this was going to be about some like, combinators of some kind allowing for expressing something about what computation (on what data) you want to outsource the running of run, in terms of 3 operators. Like, some sort of verifiable computing kind of deal. Because I hadn’t read the quotation carefully (as otherwise I would have caught the part about depreciation notices before reading the article).
webmaven 5y ago
> Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the actual hardware. At some point, Microgoogazon transitions to being manufacturers and/or operators of the hardware, and the (perhaps nominal) ownership devolves to some variation on a public utility like electricity.

aviatorspoon 5y ago

> Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the actual hardware. This is the point that the author makes in the second part of their post. Quote: "The dutifully critical part of me wants to shout: you shouldn’t trust these slabs! Their operators, G — and A — and M — and the rest, will surely betray you. The very signature of the corporate internet is the way it slips from your grasp. The leviathans swim off in pursuit new markets, and what do they leave you with? Deprecation notices."

toss1 5y ago
Yup, it's kind of the analogue of: "Not your keys, not your coin" So, something like: "not your chips, not your code"? This also really reminds me of the absolute squandering of resources by "modern" systems - old x86 DOS systems with 1/16,000 the memory and processing power were literally more responsive for everyday use than the mountians of framework junk we run on today. There is a lot of headroom left to downsize and create very useful machines.
- infogulch 5y ago
  "not your chips, not your data" & "not your software, not your data"
  - toss1 5y ago
    definite improvement!
drdeca 5y ago
I misread this as “the operators G, A, and M” rather than “their”, and thought that this was going to be about some like, combinators of some kind allowing for expressing something about what computation (on what data) you want to outsource the running of run, in terms of 3 operators. Like, some sort of verifiable computing kind of deal. Because I hadn’t read the quotation carefully (as otherwise I would have caught the part about depreciation notices before reading the article).

webmaven 5y ago

> Although I like the spirit of this idea, I don't know that I could trust it in practice as it will be companies like Google, Amazon, and Microsoft that own the actual hardware. At some point, Microgoogazon transitions to being manufacturers and/or operators of the hardware, and the (perhaps nominal) ownership devolves to some variation on a public utility like electricity.