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I hate smokers because they they don't police their cigarette butts and leave the things littered everywhere, including parks, playgrounds, nature reserves...

by surge 5y ago

I hate smokers because they they don't police their cigarette butts and leave the things littered everywhere, including parks, playgrounds, nature reserves... If nothing else, I'd tax them for that BS. It's the shopping cart test, at least 90% of smokers are like this, unable to do function in society unless their incentivized not to cause harm, and I disdain them for it.

irrational 5y ago
Seriously. Recently I participated in a community clean up event. 99% of what we picked us was cigarette butts. It is insane how much trash and litter smokers create.
donatj 5y ago
Some cigarette butt's biodegrade, most don't. I'd be in favor of a law to make them all have to be biodegradable. Still should just throw the damn things away, but changing human behaviour is difficult.
elvischidera 5y ago
Add pet owners to the list :(. Germany seems to have a dog tax or something like that.
nobody9999 5y ago
>at least 90% of smokers are like this Please provide a source of data for this assertion. Thanks!
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  Things that are universally witnessed have low need of citation. In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention.
  - nobody9999 5y ago
    >In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention. Your assertion is a reasonable one, especially as it doesn't claim that specific numbers of people participate in a particular behavior. However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this" That assertion can't be supported by facts/data AFAIK. I suppose you could argue that GP was being hyperbolic, but as the old saw goes, "claims require evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Take from that what you will.
    - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
      > However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this" This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking.
      - nobody9999 5y ago
        >This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking. That's as may be. But as a smoker, I took offense to their characterization of me. Call it whatever you like, but I don't appreciate being berated -- especially when such insults aren't valid. As I said, take from that what you will.
        surge 5y ago
        Great, you're in the 10%, but if you know other smokers, you know they throw their butts on the ground at least some of the time, I've seen smokers do it when a receptacle was 5 feet away. I was being hyperbolic, but having witnessed thousands of smokers in my lifetime, especially from when I was young, I'm pretty sure I have a decent sample size. All of them threw their butts on the ground, giving them 10% that didn't was being generous to people like you, which are basically unicorns as far as I'm concerned.
Aaronstotle 5y ago
I smoke about 1 cigarette a day and I always make it point to throw the butt away. I think they should be made with biodegradable filters at least
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  Toward the end of my smoking I was like this. Before I only smoked when I worked on cars - always my house or a friends'.
5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this.
- nobody9999 5y ago
  >Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this. Smoke-free buildings[0][1] are becoming more common. Perhaps you might consider moving to such a building? [0] https://no-smoke.org/frequently-asked-questions-housing-providers-smokefree-buildings/ https://no-smoke.org/frequently-asked-questions-housing-prov... [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/smoking-smoke-free-housing.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/smoking-s...
cronix 5y ago
I imagine you apply the same hate (your word) to all people who use plastics, because some of them don't use the trash bin? Frankly, I see more plastic waste in the places you mentioned than cig butts, at least in 2021. Could be a regional thing too.
- surge 5y ago
  Yes, I hate litterers too, but most people don't litter, almost all smokers litter (probably the plastic too), so I'm inclined to be biased against them.

by surge 5y ago

irrational 5y ago

Seriously. Recently I participated in a community clean up event. 99% of what we picked us was cigarette butts. It is insane how much trash and litter smokers create.

donatj 5y ago

Some cigarette butt's biodegrade, most don't. I'd be in favor of a law to make them all have to be biodegradable. Still should just throw the damn things away, but changing human behaviour is difficult.

elvischidera 5y ago

Add pet owners to the list :(. Germany seems to have a dog tax or something like that.

nobody9999 5y ago

>at least 90% of smokers are like this Please provide a source of data for this assertion. Thanks!

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
Things that are universally witnessed have low need of citation. In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention.
- nobody9999 5y ago
  >In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention. Your assertion is a reasonable one, especially as it doesn't claim that specific numbers of people participate in a particular behavior. However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this" That assertion can't be supported by facts/data AFAIK. I suppose you could argue that GP was being hyperbolic, but as the old saw goes, "claims require evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Take from that what you will.
  - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
    > However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this" This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking.
    - nobody9999 5y ago
      >This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking. That's as may be. But as a smoker, I took offense to their characterization of me. Call it whatever you like, but I don't appreciate being berated -- especially when such insults aren't valid. As I said, take from that what you will.
      - surge 5y ago
        Great, you're in the 10%, but if you know other smokers, you know they throw their butts on the ground at least some of the time, I've seen smokers do it when a receptacle was 5 feet away. I was being hyperbolic, but having witnessed thousands of smokers in my lifetime, especially from when I was young, I'm pretty sure I have a decent sample size. All of them threw their butts on the ground, giving them 10% that didn't was being generous to people like you, which are basically unicorns as far as I'm concerned.

Aaronstotle 5y ago

I smoke about 1 cigarette a day and I always make it point to throw the butt away. I think they should be made with biodegradable filters at least

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
Toward the end of my smoking I was like this. Before I only smoked when I worked on cars - always my house or a friends'.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago

Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this.

nobody9999 5y ago
>Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this. Smoke-free buildings[0][1] are becoming more common. Perhaps you might consider moving to such a building? [0] https://no-smoke.org/frequently-asked-questions-housing-providers-smokefree-buildings/ https://no-smoke.org/frequently-asked-questions-housing-prov... [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/smoking-smoke-free-housing.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/smoking-s...

cronix 5y ago

I imagine you apply the same hate (your word) to all people who use plastics, because some of them don't use the trash bin? Frankly, I see more plastic waste in the places you mentioned than cig butts, at least in 2021. Could be a regional thing too.

surge 5y ago
Yes, I hate litterers too, but most people don't litter, almost all smokers litter (probably the plastic too), so I'm inclined to be biased against them.