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My opinion. Private tutors are much cheaper then college. During covid we made use of them for elementary age kids since they were falling behind on every subj

My opinion. Private tutors are much cheaper then college. During covid we made use of them for elementary age kids since they were falling behind on every subject. The effectiveness was drastic. So much so that we stopped because they got so far ahead of the class. Figure at 20,000 a year will cover a lot of private lessons with experts in most fields. One wants to be a vet. So that will probably be more traditional.

colinmhayes 5y ago
The point of college isn't to learn. It's to get a white collar job. To get a white collar job you need a network and a diploma, private tutor gives you neither.
- treeman79 5y ago
  You just made a good argument for eliminating college. Or at least any tax payer money for it.
- xyzzy21 5y ago
  The problem with this oft trotted out theory is that: • Extraverts don't need college to network - the skill is to innate they never need an expensive excuse • Introverts won't learn to network even if put into an ideal environment for doing it - most people who claim university didn't enable networking are usually introverts • This leaves people are in the middle of being extroverted or introverts who need just a nudge. That's less than 5% of the population - so the claim of "networking" is mostly only helping a tiny minority and doesn't benefit the majority. I'm one of those middle people in the last group and quite honestly I didn't even benefit - I wasn't "ready" for the opportunity. Once I had a job in my industry, that's when it "all made sense" and tapped into my extrovert side to enormous advantage. My current job primarily involves tapping into that post-university network for sales leads, collaboration partners, vendor opportunities, etc. I only recently got in touch with my university friends and most "weren't useful" to what I do today. One switched from EE to Gerontology. Another is still mentally in university (don't ask). Most aren't in fields I interact much with despite nominally being EE grads.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    It is much easier to network in college, no matter how extraverted you are. Career fairs commonly require you to be a student to attend, so I'm not sure how being an extravert accomplishes anything for the most common way for students to network. Anyway, the diploma is what's actually important. Most white collar jobs won't even look at you if you don't have one.
  - musicale 5y ago
    As you note, "networking" is often just having access to college career fairs, where companies go to hire for the internships which are required for later employment.
- slackfan 5y ago
  I had a stable, white collar job approximately midway through college. Some of the best engineers I've worked with in my career don't have a degree. This wasn't that long ago either. The network reasoning for college is vastly overstated.
handrous 5y ago
What... did that run per kid, roughly, if you don't mind my asking? Was this remote? Where did you find tutors? How much parental oversight is needed? How much time in management of tutors is required—are they consistently reliable, how much time looking for replacements when they change jobs or whatever, that kind of thing? We've gone with a private school because we've got a couple elementary-aged kids who are far enough ahead that public schools were plainly holding them back and we were already starting to get early signs of "gifted kid who isn't challenged then crashes and burns later" syndrome, but if tutors are at least as effective, and cheaper, that'd be awesome.
- treeman79 5y ago
  50 an hour. We had a foreign language and english reading writing. Local tutor. Spent around 1000 a month between two kids at the most expensive month, depending on need. I handled math. Both severe ADHD. So class room setting is hard on them. Now that they are ahead and back in classroom they are doing fine.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Thanks for the information. $1,000/m for two kids in two subjects isn't as bad as I thought it'd be. > Both severe ADHD. So class room setting is hard on them. We've dealt with a bit of that. No fun for any of the parties involved. > Now that they are ahead and back in classroom they are doing fine. Awesome. Always such a relief when kid-stuff goes the right way. Then you can rest up for when you're thrown the next curve-ball :-)

colinmhayes 5y ago

The point of college isn't to learn. It's to get a white collar job. To get a white collar job you need a network and a diploma, private tutor gives you neither.

treeman79 5y ago
You just made a good argument for eliminating college. Or at least any tax payer money for it.
xyzzy21 5y ago
The problem with this oft trotted out theory is that: • Extraverts don't need college to network - the skill is to innate they never need an expensive excuse • Introverts won't learn to network even if put into an ideal environment for doing it - most people who claim university didn't enable networking are usually introverts • This leaves people are in the middle of being extroverted or introverts who need just a nudge. That's less than 5% of the population - so the claim of "networking" is mostly only helping a tiny minority and doesn't benefit the majority. I'm one of those middle people in the last group and quite honestly I didn't even benefit - I wasn't "ready" for the opportunity. Once I had a job in my industry, that's when it "all made sense" and tapped into my extrovert side to enormous advantage. My current job primarily involves tapping into that post-university network for sales leads, collaboration partners, vendor opportunities, etc. I only recently got in touch with my university friends and most "weren't useful" to what I do today. One switched from EE to Gerontology. Another is still mentally in university (don't ask). Most aren't in fields I interact much with despite nominally being EE grads.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  It is much easier to network in college, no matter how extraverted you are. Career fairs commonly require you to be a student to attend, so I'm not sure how being an extravert accomplishes anything for the most common way for students to network. Anyway, the diploma is what's actually important. Most white collar jobs won't even look at you if you don't have one.
- musicale 5y ago
  As you note, "networking" is often just having access to college career fairs, where companies go to hire for the internships which are required for later employment.
slackfan 5y ago
I had a stable, white collar job approximately midway through college. Some of the best engineers I've worked with in my career don't have a degree. This wasn't that long ago either. The network reasoning for college is vastly overstated.

handrous 5y ago

What... did that run per kid, roughly, if you don't mind my asking? Was this remote? Where did you find tutors? How much parental oversight is needed? How much time in management of tutors is required—are they consistently reliable, how much time looking for replacements when they change jobs or whatever, that kind of thing? We've gone with a private school because we've got a couple elementary-aged kids who are far enough ahead that public schools were plainly holding them back and we were already starting to get early signs of "gifted kid who isn't challenged then crashes and burns later" syndrome, but if tutors are at least as effective, and cheaper, that'd be awesome.

treeman79 5y ago
50 an hour. We had a foreign language and english reading writing. Local tutor. Spent around 1000 a month between two kids at the most expensive month, depending on need. I handled math. Both severe ADHD. So class room setting is hard on them. Now that they are ahead and back in classroom they are doing fine.
- handrous 5y ago
  Thanks for the information. $1,000/m for two kids in two subjects isn't as bad as I thought it'd be. > Both severe ADHD. So class room setting is hard on them. We've dealt with a bit of that. No fun for any of the parties involved. > Now that they are ahead and back in classroom they are doing fine. Awesome. Always such a relief when kid-stuff goes the right way. Then you can rest up for when you're thrown the next curve-ball :-)