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> (because you’re an activist or whatever) How about because I'm a regular person, and I don't want everything I say analyzed by the federal government and sto

> (because you’re an activist or whatever) How about because I'm a regular person, and I don't want everything I say analyzed by the federal government and stored in perpetuity? I'm increasingly repulsed by this notion that unless I'm doing something illegal or in opposition the the ruling party, encryption is just a luxury. Encryption is for anyone with any desire to express themselves honestly without modifying their behavior because someone is watching. People flock to Signal for a reason and a lot of them will use this "bridge" without understanding what they're giving up. You're doing more harm that good to try to usher people towards your platform.

fsflover 5y ago
> People flock to Signal for a reason Why would you go to a walled garden if you want more freedom/control? You should just go to Matrix and host it yourself (and keep all the metadata to yourself, too!).
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  People available to communicate with is a key metric of a communications platform. All of these services lack a large number of regular people. For better or for worse, Signal is the one with the most.
  - Steltek 5y ago
    If you self-host Matrix, you can still bridge to Signal while avoiding the walled garden trap and having complete control of your data? If you don't want to self-host, then you must be comfortable extending trust to someone. SaaS Matrix and Signal seem to be two sides of the same coin, in that case.
    - xanaxagoras 5y ago
      Except my messages are E2EE and signal can't read them. This bridge breaks that encryption before it's reached the intended recipient, which if that recipient is me, I very much don't appreciate it.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29001070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29001070
grassjumper 5y ago
I very much agree with you. > I'm increasingly repulsed by this notion that unless I'm doing something illegal or in opposition the the ruling party, encryption is just a luxury. Making encryption and privacy a common thing is important to maintain the anonymity of those who have something to hide for various reasons. It's the same as law enforcement using dubious methods: We don't object because we're criminal, we object because we're not (i.e. and don't want to risk false charges).
- Forbo 5y ago
  All your comments appear dead to me, I think it's because you're a fresh account and have been shadow banned. Just guessing, I'm not sure about that but I saw similar behavior for another user on a different topic. I vouched because it looks like you're making points in good faith.

fsflover 5y ago

> People flock to Signal for a reason Why would you go to a walled garden if you want more freedom/control? You should just go to Matrix and host it yourself (and keep all the metadata to yourself, too!).

xanaxagoras 5y ago
People available to communicate with is a key metric of a communications platform. All of these services lack a large number of regular people. For better or for worse, Signal is the one with the most.
- Steltek 5y ago
  If you self-host Matrix, you can still bridge to Signal while avoiding the walled garden trap and having complete control of your data? If you don't want to self-host, then you must be comfortable extending trust to someone. SaaS Matrix and Signal seem to be two sides of the same coin, in that case.
  - xanaxagoras 5y ago
    Except my messages are E2EE and signal can't read them. This bridge breaks that encryption before it's reached the intended recipient, which if that recipient is me, I very much don't appreciate it.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29001070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29001070

grassjumper 5y ago

I very much agree with you. > I'm increasingly repulsed by this notion that unless I'm doing something illegal or in opposition the the ruling party, encryption is just a luxury. Making encryption and privacy a common thing is important to maintain the anonymity of those who have something to hide for various reasons. It's the same as law enforcement using dubious methods: We don't object because we're criminal, we object because we're not (i.e. and don't want to risk false charges).

Forbo 5y ago
All your comments appear dead to me, I think it's because you're a fresh account and have been shadow banned. Just guessing, I'm not sure about that but I saw similar behavior for another user on a different topic. I vouched because it looks like you're making points in good faith.