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He's anticipating the objection re Snowden. You have to be angry about the fact that the information he released makes the govt look bad, and not just the fact

He's anticipating the objection re Snowden. You have to be angry about the fact that the information he released makes the govt look bad, and not just the fact of improper process, a la Clinton. Therefore, the treatment of whistleblowers really does depend on who's hand they're strengthening -- the govt or someone else's -- and not a generalized respect for the truth.

helen___keller 5y ago
> Therefore, the treatment of whistleblowers really does depend on who's hand they're strengthening -- the govt or someone else's -- and not a generalized respect for the truth This is a very easy argument to make without resorting to political derailment, especially since it's basically a founding principle of our country (separation of powers, because we can't trust governing entities to police themselves, therefore competing and opposed government entities must effectively 'police' each other).
- paisawalla 5y ago
  Sure, but 1. a lot of people also find that entire situation to be such incredible bullshit 2. the counterargument discredits itself when it employs the mental gymnastics needed to explain that inconsistency
  - helen___keller 5y ago
    > 1. a lot of people also find that entire situation to be such incredible bullshit OK? The fact that government doesn't police itself sucks, yes. The fact that I don't have a Lamborghini also sucks. I don't see what throwing in a Hillary Clinton dig is going to do to solve this situation or offer any kind of insight to other readers and commenters besides making people feel angry about politics. > 2. the counterargument discredits itself when it employs the mental gymnastics needed to explain that inconsistency I don't even know what you're referring to right now or how it relates to the topic.
    - paisawalla 5y ago
      You honestly sound like you're going out of your way to be upset about this.

helen___keller 5y ago

> Therefore, the treatment of whistleblowers really does depend on who's hand they're strengthening -- the govt or someone else's -- and not a generalized respect for the truth This is a very easy argument to make without resorting to political derailment, especially since it's basically a founding principle of our country (separation of powers, because we can't trust governing entities to police themselves, therefore competing and opposed government entities must effectively 'police' each other).

paisawalla 5y ago
Sure, but 1. a lot of people also find that entire situation to be such incredible bullshit 2. the counterargument discredits itself when it employs the mental gymnastics needed to explain that inconsistency
- helen___keller 5y ago
  > 1. a lot of people also find that entire situation to be such incredible bullshit OK? The fact that government doesn't police itself sucks, yes. The fact that I don't have a Lamborghini also sucks. I don't see what throwing in a Hillary Clinton dig is going to do to solve this situation or offer any kind of insight to other readers and commenters besides making people feel angry about politics. > 2. the counterargument discredits itself when it employs the mental gymnastics needed to explain that inconsistency I don't even know what you're referring to right now or how it relates to the topic.
  - paisawalla 5y ago
    You honestly sound like you're going out of your way to be upset about this.