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What's happening with the Cyber attacks in Iran. Their transport ministry and railways got hit back in June, now this.

by alek_m 5y ago

ramesh31 5y ago
Who has both a world class highly sophisticated cyber warfare capability and the motive to use it against Iran? Hmmm... It is a mystery...
- someguybehindme 5y ago
  that's a tough one! Could it be the same country we magically send $$ aid for no reason?
- zz865 5y ago
  Given utilities around the world are all being attacked it really could be anyone.
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    Most attacks worldwide tend to focus on monitoring a company, stealing data, and having the ability to affect operations. However those in Iran seem to go for maximum impact. I suspect they're different actors.
- scottLobster 5y ago
  What's our (the US) motive at this point beyond institutional inertia? The US is in the process of getting out of the middle east, to the point where the Saudis are making weapons deals with the Russians and reaching out to Israel. Short of hampering Iran's nuclear capability, there's not much motive left under Biden. As a country we're just slowly ceasing to care.
  - stayfrosty420 5y ago
    (S)he isn't talking about the US.
    - scottLobster 5y ago
      So who then? Parent stated it as if it was obvious. The only remaining Iranian enemy I can see with a "world class highly sophisticated cyber warfare capability" is Israel, and I'm not sure what they accomplish strategically by breaking some Iranian gas stations. All of Iran's other rivals in the middle east are lacking in said capabilities, and China and Russia tacitly support Iran.
      - ramesh31 5y ago
        > I'm not sure what they accomplish strategically by breaking some Iranian gas stations. These are most likely just trial probing runs. Iranian gas stations use government networks for payments using a card issued to citizens for the subsidy. It's just a hop skip and a jump from there to critical military and other strategic infrastructure.
        scottLobster 5y ago
        Seems rather poor strategy to tip your hand in such a big way for a probing run. With a crisis this large the Iranian authorities HAVE to respond, and could possibly plug whatever holes are being exploited. Stuxnet worked because it was subtle. This doesn't fit that pattern at all. Granted it could be a probing-run gone wrong.
      - yyyk 5y ago
        Two weeks ago an Israeli hospital was hit by ransomware: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hillel-yaffe-hospital-targeted-by-ransomware-attack-681842 https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hillel-yaffe-hospital-ta... Assuming a particular attribution, it wouldn't be fantasy to assume this is payback. Or it could be anything else. For all we know, the regime has a fuel shortage and wants to cover it up with a 'cyber attack'.
  - bronco21016 5y ago
    I think it would be foolish to assume that the US no longer cares about the Middle East just because the boots on the ground are moving out. The US conducts shadow operations across the globe to further their interests. Cyberattacks allow countries to continue to wield power without spending the physical resources that were required in the past. I’m not sure there’s enough evidence in this case to implicate anyone, including the US, but I don’t think they can be ruled out simply on the argument you’ve presented.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    I don't think they were hinting it was the US.
mc32 5y ago
Unless we have more useful information, it's hard to tell if this is your usual ransomware syndicates or a state actor or a combination.
- davrosthedalek 5y ago
  Or an excuse for mismanagement....
TechBro8615 5y ago
I don't think we can rule out covering for incompetence by blaming Israel.
stunt 5y ago
The goal could be to make the population frustrated by showing how their government is dysfunctional and hope that they eventually raise against it or at least don't support it when there is a coup or something. That's pure speculation, but I can't think of any other useful outcome of doing such attack at this point.

What's happening with the Cyber attacks in Iran. Their transport ministry and railways got hit back in June, now this.

by alek_m 5y ago

What's happening with the Cyber attacks in Iran. Their transport ministry and railways got hit back in June, now this.

Who has both a world class highly sophisticated cyber warfare capability and the motive to use it against Iran? Hmmm... It is a mystery...

someguybehindme 5y ago
that's a tough one! Could it be the same country we magically send $$ aid for no reason?
zz865 5y ago
Given utilities around the world are all being attacked it really could be anyone.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  Most attacks worldwide tend to focus on monitoring a company, stealing data, and having the ability to affect operations. However those in Iran seem to go for maximum impact. I suspect they're different actors.
scottLobster 5y ago
What's our (the US) motive at this point beyond institutional inertia? The US is in the process of getting out of the middle east, to the point where the Saudis are making weapons deals with the Russians and reaching out to Israel. Short of hampering Iran's nuclear capability, there's not much motive left under Biden. As a country we're just slowly ceasing to care.
- stayfrosty420 5y ago
  (S)he isn't talking about the US.
  - scottLobster 5y ago
    So who then? Parent stated it as if it was obvious. The only remaining Iranian enemy I can see with a "world class highly sophisticated cyber warfare capability" is Israel, and I'm not sure what they accomplish strategically by breaking some Iranian gas stations. All of Iran's other rivals in the middle east are lacking in said capabilities, and China and Russia tacitly support Iran.
    - ramesh31 5y ago
      > I'm not sure what they accomplish strategically by breaking some Iranian gas stations. These are most likely just trial probing runs. Iranian gas stations use government networks for payments using a card issued to citizens for the subsidy. It's just a hop skip and a jump from there to critical military and other strategic infrastructure.
      - scottLobster 5y ago
        Seems rather poor strategy to tip your hand in such a big way for a probing run. With a crisis this large the Iranian authorities HAVE to respond, and could possibly plug whatever holes are being exploited. Stuxnet worked because it was subtle. This doesn't fit that pattern at all. Granted it could be a probing-run gone wrong.
    - yyyk 5y ago
      Two weeks ago an Israeli hospital was hit by ransomware: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hillel-yaffe-hospital-targeted-by-ransomware-attack-681842 https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hillel-yaffe-hospital-ta... Assuming a particular attribution, it wouldn't be fantasy to assume this is payback. Or it could be anything else. For all we know, the regime has a fuel shortage and wants to cover it up with a 'cyber attack'.
- bronco21016 5y ago
  I think it would be foolish to assume that the US no longer cares about the Middle East just because the boots on the ground are moving out. The US conducts shadow operations across the globe to further their interests. Cyberattacks allow countries to continue to wield power without spending the physical resources that were required in the past. I’m not sure there’s enough evidence in this case to implicate anyone, including the US, but I don’t think they can be ruled out simply on the argument you’ve presented.
- tyingq 5y ago
  I don't think they were hinting it was the US.

mc32 5y ago

Unless we have more useful information, it's hard to tell if this is your usual ransomware syndicates or a state actor or a combination.

davrosthedalek 5y ago
Or an excuse for mismanagement....

TechBro8615 5y ago

I don't think we can rule out covering for incompetence by blaming Israel.

stunt 5y ago

The goal could be to make the population frustrated by showing how their government is dysfunctional and hope that they eventually raise against it or at least don't support it when there is a coup or something. That's pure speculation, but I can't think of any other useful outcome of doing such attack at this point.