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>The contact tracing protocol for Covid was anything but more surveillance. This is what happens when you buy into simplistic narratives. Guess you're not foll

by amoshi 5y ago

>The contact tracing protocol for Covid was anything but more surveillance. This is what happens when you buy into simplistic narratives. Guess you're not following the news. Things that look simple can be deceiving. >It did seek to assuage fears, however, by repeatedly assuring Singaporeans that the data collected with such technology would be used only for contact tracing during the pandemic. And that’s where things went wrong. >Earlier this month, it emerged that the government’s claim was false. The Ministry of Home Affairs confirmed that data could actually be accessed by the police for criminal investigations; the day after this admission, a minister revealed that such data had, in fact, already been used in a murder investigation. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/11/1016004/singapore-tracetogether-contact-tracing-police/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/11/1016004/singapor...

mojzu 5y ago
The article states that Singapore's app doesn't use the protocol developed by Google/Apple, so I assume their app has been designed to collect location data whereas my understanding of the Google/Apple protocol is that it doesn't reveal location data (at least by itself, maybe with enough data/matches you could figure out rough locations)
ceejayoz 5y ago
"The Singapore government had previously rejected Apple and Google’s system, saying that it would be 'less effective' in the Singaporean context." They didn't use Apple's contact tracing system. Probably for this very reason.
- JimDabell 5y ago
  TraceTogether was already in wide-scale use in Singapore before Apple + Google’s exposure notification system was released.
- amoshi 5y ago
  And US might be using them because Apple/Google are American companies and can just be sent a National Security Letter along with a gag order.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Which they can’t do - by design the location, etc in the apple/google protocol can’t be extracted by anyone without the tracked individual providing the key material

by amoshi 5y ago

mojzu 5y ago

The article states that Singapore's app doesn't use the protocol developed by Google/Apple, so I assume their app has been designed to collect location data whereas my understanding of the Google/Apple protocol is that it doesn't reveal location data (at least by itself, maybe with enough data/matches you could figure out rough locations)

ceejayoz 5y ago

"The Singapore government had previously rejected Apple and Google’s system, saying that it would be 'less effective' in the Singaporean context." They didn't use Apple's contact tracing system. Probably for this very reason.

JimDabell 5y ago
TraceTogether was already in wide-scale use in Singapore before Apple + Google’s exposure notification system was released.
amoshi 5y ago
And US might be using them because Apple/Google are American companies and can just be sent a National Security Letter along with a gag order.
- olliej 5y ago
  Which they can’t do - by design the location, etc in the apple/google protocol can’t be extracted by anyone without the tracked individual providing the key material