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The small decisions should be made by the individuals of course, as group decisions are too expensive, but the bigger ones should be taken by the team, where it

The small decisions should be made by the individuals of course, as group decisions are too expensive, but the bigger ones should be taken by the team, where it pays off, or at least a pair. I’ve dealt too much with bus factor problems in the past to want fully individual systems It also happens on scrum teams a lot, the engineer the built certain part of the system is the only one to ever take tasks related to it and the only one that knows how to fix it, so when they are gone you have to deal with their mess On XP pair programming solves that very nicely, with a lot of comradery, but then you may also argue there is not enough individuality

watwut 5y ago
> On XP pair programming solves that very nicely, with a lot of comradery, but then you may also argue there is not enough individuality No. That is literally extreme with zero individuality, zero autonomy and so on. Yes, there are extremes that are even worst then average in agile systems. But the extreme existing does not mean the average is somehow good. > The small decisions should be made by the individuals of course, as group decisions are too expensive, but the bigger ones should be taken by the team, where it pays off, or at least a pair. I’ve dealt too much with bus factor problems in the past to want fully individual systems Which small decisions are made by individuals in agile system? I am not aware of any, unless one is actively hiding what he is doing. That is my point. There is no autonomy, no mastery no accountability. You said you was surprised that I found agile less motivating due to lack of above. And now you are telling me that there are systems which are even worst in that regard. Yes, I know they exist. And almost no one wants to work in such teams. > It also happens on scrum teams a lot, the engineer the built certain part of the system is the only one to ever take tasks related to it and the only one that knows how to fix it, so when they are gone you have to deal with their mess And now in agile system, I have to deal with everybody mess all the time. Because there is never a point in time when I know the part of system I work on well. I dont know what the system I work on is supposed to be doing. No one knows. So we all muddle through.
- rchaves 5y ago
  Those are very valid points

watwut 5y ago

> On XP pair programming solves that very nicely, with a lot of comradery, but then you may also argue there is not enough individuality No. That is literally extreme with zero individuality, zero autonomy and so on. Yes, there are extremes that are even worst then average in agile systems. But the extreme existing does not mean the average is somehow good. > The small decisions should be made by the individuals of course, as group decisions are too expensive, but the bigger ones should be taken by the team, where it pays off, or at least a pair. I’ve dealt too much with bus factor problems in the past to want fully individual systems Which small decisions are made by individuals in agile system? I am not aware of any, unless one is actively hiding what he is doing. That is my point. There is no autonomy, no mastery no accountability. You said you was surprised that I found agile less motivating due to lack of above. And now you are telling me that there are systems which are even worst in that regard. Yes, I know they exist. And almost no one wants to work in such teams. > It also happens on scrum teams a lot, the engineer the built certain part of the system is the only one to ever take tasks related to it and the only one that knows how to fix it, so when they are gone you have to deal with their mess And now in agile system, I have to deal with everybody mess all the time. Because there is never a point in time when I know the part of system I work on well. I dont know what the system I work on is supposed to be doing. No one knows. So we all muddle through.

rchaves 5y ago
Those are very valid points