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>OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-poi

>OK, here’s the performance. Factor of 2.2X over its peers (other laptop SKUs) in multithreaded performance, going head to head with 5950X in some (floating-point) scenarios Finally a sensible comparison! As I said, it is quite impressive. >it doesn’t mean low-clocked x86 magically beats A15. Nor did I ever say it would. What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an advantage. I don't understand what it is you think I said. Pretty much everything you are writing is a non-sequitur.

paulmd 5y ago
>What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an advantage. it's obviously an advantage when you're leading on IPC by a factor of 4-6 (don't forget x86 has SMT) across a variety of benchmarks, and trailing on frequency by a factor of 2. Simplified numbers, but that's roughly the shape of things here. you're just throwing up your hands and insisting that nothing matters, but it's pretty simple. Processors can be benchmarked, and those numbers can be analyzed, there is no need for nihilism in something so simple as CPU benchmarks. People just don't like the outcome of that analysis and are looking for reasons to downplay it. Nihilism "nothing can be benchmarked, nothing matters" is certainly an interesting one.
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? I just had to warn you about this elsewhere in the thread. This is not cool. You obviously know stuff about this topic and that's great, but the benefit of that is smaller than the damage you cause by flaming. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop this going forward? We'd appreciate it.
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dang 5y ago
Please make your substantive points without swipes, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

paulmd 5y ago

>What I have said is a simple truth: leading on IPC and trailing on frequency is not obviously an advantage. it's obviously an advantage when you're leading on IPC by a factor of 4-6 (don't forget x86 has SMT) across a variety of benchmarks, and trailing on frequency by a factor of 2. Simplified numbers, but that's roughly the shape of things here. you're just throwing up your hands and insisting that nothing matters, but it's pretty simple. Processors can be benchmarked, and those numbers can be analyzed, there is no need for nihilism in something so simple as CPU benchmarks. People just don't like the outcome of that analysis and are looking for reasons to downplay it. Nihilism "nothing can be benchmarked, nothing matters" is certainly an interesting one.

dang 5y ago
Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? I just had to warn you about this elsewhere in the thread. This is not cool. You obviously know stuff about this topic and that's great, but the benefit of that is smaller than the damage you cause by flaming. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop this going forward? We'd appreciate it.
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dang 5y ago

Please make your substantive points without swipes, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html