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+1, but it takes a good employer to actually adhere to these rules. Enforcement is very lacking.

by notimetorelax 5y ago

6510 5y ago
I don't get why (in any country) it should take more than a phone call to have employee rights enforced.
- ryanbrunner 5y ago
  Some of it comes down to how much compliance there is to the laws in the first place. In an environment where no one is complying, and no one is reporting for fear of losing their job (particularly in environments where you can be laid off without cause fairly easily), standing up for your rights can lead to being dismissed for "unrelated reasons", and future reference calls talking about how you weren't a "team player". Just having the laws on the books, or even an enforcement mechanism that works is sometimes not enough to get them widely adopted.
  - 6510 5y ago
    (I'm ofc talking about the insanely obvious cases. Court is fine for more complex cases.) After the phone call we should just see punishments large enough to encourage people not to repeat the mistake. Since worker rights are more like really expensive jokes right now it seems reasonable to do some package like 1) a big fine for the company, 2) a good few years of salary for the person reporting it, 3) require that the employee responsible for the violation is also fined personally if not fired. The compensation can be conditional [say] if the employee quits or is fired over the next 10 years. (after 9 years 10%) Its really not as complicated as it sounds. For really big violations the mechanisms are usually all there. If you have slaves do forced labor we don't require the slaves to take you to court then merely instruct you to pay the missing wages. We could even require employees to report it. Then the reference call is less of an issue.
- neom 5y ago
  It's very easy to get help in Ontario with labour issues, they act swiftly and they have teeth. I've used them and know many others who have and have had great successes. That being said, because enforcement is strong, I don't see a lot of Ontario employers screwing the pooch and I don't suspect it's rampant. Also, only 13 million people live in Ontario,

+1, but it takes a good employer to actually adhere to these rules. Enforcement is very lacking.

6510 5y ago

I don't get why (in any country) it should take more than a phone call to have employee rights enforced.

ryanbrunner 5y ago
Some of it comes down to how much compliance there is to the laws in the first place. In an environment where no one is complying, and no one is reporting for fear of losing their job (particularly in environments where you can be laid off without cause fairly easily), standing up for your rights can lead to being dismissed for "unrelated reasons", and future reference calls talking about how you weren't a "team player". Just having the laws on the books, or even an enforcement mechanism that works is sometimes not enough to get them widely adopted.
- 6510 5y ago
  (I'm ofc talking about the insanely obvious cases. Court is fine for more complex cases.) After the phone call we should just see punishments large enough to encourage people not to repeat the mistake. Since worker rights are more like really expensive jokes right now it seems reasonable to do some package like 1) a big fine for the company, 2) a good few years of salary for the person reporting it, 3) require that the employee responsible for the violation is also fined personally if not fired. The compensation can be conditional [say] if the employee quits or is fired over the next 10 years. (after 9 years 10%) Its really not as complicated as it sounds. For really big violations the mechanisms are usually all there. If you have slaves do forced labor we don't require the slaves to take you to court then merely instruct you to pay the missing wages. We could even require employees to report it. Then the reference call is less of an issue.
neom 5y ago
It's very easy to get help in Ontario with labour issues, they act swiftly and they have teeth. I've used them and know many others who have and have had great successes. That being said, because enforcement is strong, I don't see a lot of Ontario employers screwing the pooch and I don't suspect it's rampant. Also, only 13 million people live in Ontario,