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I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

amarant 5y ago
Italy does have what they call carabinheri (unsure of spelling?), which is basically a special kind of police that has automatic rifles. They do seem to patrol pretty much like normal police though, so I'm not sure what the distinction is other than the armament
- skissane 5y ago
  The Italian Carabinieri are a gendarmerie – a military police force with civilian policing functions – such as the French National Gendarmerie (whose name is also used as the standard English word for this type of police force), the Spanish Guardia Civil, etc. Military police in English-speaking countries usually only have jurisdiction over military installations and military personnel; they do not perform civilian policing functions except in exceptional situations such as wartime or national emergencies. By contrast, gendarmerie are military police who perform civilian policing functions in normal circumstances. There isn't necessarily a huge difference in practice between gendarmeries and ordinary civilian police forces; gendarmeries tend to have tougher recruitment standards, a more disciplined ethos, be more heavily armed, their members will have received military basic training which covers skill areas which most civilian police training does not, etc. However, even in countries with gendarmeries, the civilian police often have elite units which are on par with those of the gendarmerie; and, in France, much of the gendarmerie are assigned to policing small towns and rural areas which is often less challenging work than that of the civilian police in the big cities.
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jobigoud 5y ago
You've probably just seen the special counter-terrorism forces at one of the big French airports like CDG, as part of Vigipirate plan. These are not police but military. Half of city police forces don't even have firearms, let alone rifles.
- rPlayer6554 5y ago
  This was not at an airport. I saw them definitely at least once just in the street, and also at some tourist attractions.
  - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
    Yes, they are part of the counter terrorist effort, called Vigipirate. They are military.
TacticalCoder 5y ago
> I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. I confirm in France. I've seen group of policemen (or army?) in the (very crowded) Paris subway stations with dogs and "uzi" weapons.
N19PEDL2 5y ago
In Italy, rifle-armed personnel of the Army are used to guard areas at risk of terrorist attacks, e.g. train stations and other crowded areas. AFAIK they never had to intervene; I think their purpose is mostly deterrence. In Italy there is a civil police force and a military one (named Carabinieri) and both of them carry guns. However, only when they have to raid the homes of high-risk people, e.g. mafia criminals or terrorists, SWAT-like units (named NOCS the police unit and GIS the Carabinieri unit) are deployed.
- gpderetta 5y ago
  the (grim) joke in Italy being that any force that even remotely has some sort of police duties (and there are many), carries a gun, even glorified traffic wardens. But yes, machine guns and rifles are only carried by units on special duties, normally anti-terrorism (and unfortunately Italy has a long history of internal terrorism).
barsonme 5y ago
Ditto. In nearly 30 years of living in the US I can only ever recall seeing police officers patrolling with long guns twice: once when I visited the US capitol, and once at a big festival/parade thing in Bellevue, WA. Seeing the officer in Bellevue patrolling with a long gun was actually quite unsettling. Even though all police in the US are armed and most have a long gun in their vehicle, they very rarely carry them in public. Even at sporting events, airports, etc. Conversely, during the short period of time I spent in Germany and Austria I saw many police with long guns. (And that echoes my wife’s experiences in France and a couple other European countries.) They were primarily at airports and city centers, so it’s probably a terrorist thing. But it was very apparent—sort of how I imagine Brits feel when they visit a country with regularly armed police.
- MagnumOpus 5y ago
  It’s the bias of spending your life in unexciting places in the US, but visiting high-visibility terrorism targets (aka major tourist attractions, capitals, monuments and transport hubs) when abroad. Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s, but that the marines at local US embassy (which is a high value target) occasionally do…
  - barsonme 5y ago
    I've been to plenty of transport hubs, tourist attractions, capitols, etc. in the US, too. Or maybe I've been fortunate in that all the police in all the high-visibility places I've visited in the US don't patrol carrying long guns. (And the only capitol I visited in Europe was Austria.) > Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s I understand this. And it wasn't part of my post :)
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  It is a "terrorist thing" and one of the goals is to make them visible.
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amarant 5y ago

Italy does have what they call carabinheri (unsure of spelling?), which is basically a special kind of police that has automatic rifles. They do seem to patrol pretty much like normal police though, so I'm not sure what the distinction is other than the armament

skissane 5y ago
The Italian Carabinieri are a gendarmerie – a military police force with civilian policing functions – such as the French National Gendarmerie (whose name is also used as the standard English word for this type of police force), the Spanish Guardia Civil, etc. Military police in English-speaking countries usually only have jurisdiction over military installations and military personnel; they do not perform civilian policing functions except in exceptional situations such as wartime or national emergencies. By contrast, gendarmerie are military police who perform civilian policing functions in normal circumstances. There isn't necessarily a huge difference in practice between gendarmeries and ordinary civilian police forces; gendarmeries tend to have tougher recruitment standards, a more disciplined ethos, be more heavily armed, their members will have received military basic training which covers skill areas which most civilian police training does not, etc. However, even in countries with gendarmeries, the civilian police often have elite units which are on par with those of the gendarmerie; and, in France, much of the gendarmerie are assigned to policing small towns and rural areas which is often less challenging work than that of the civilian police in the big cities.
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jobigoud 5y ago

You've probably just seen the special counter-terrorism forces at one of the big French airports like CDG, as part of Vigipirate plan. These are not police but military. Half of city police forces don't even have firearms, let alone rifles.

rPlayer6554 5y ago
This was not at an airport. I saw them definitely at least once just in the street, and also at some tourist attractions.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  Yes, they are part of the counter terrorist effort, called Vigipirate. They are military.

TacticalCoder 5y ago

> I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. I confirm in France. I've seen group of policemen (or army?) in the (very crowded) Paris subway stations with dogs and "uzi" weapons.

N19PEDL2 5y ago

In Italy, rifle-armed personnel of the Army are used to guard areas at risk of terrorist attacks, e.g. train stations and other crowded areas. AFAIK they never had to intervene; I think their purpose is mostly deterrence. In Italy there is a civil police force and a military one (named Carabinieri) and both of them carry guns. However, only when they have to raid the homes of high-risk people, e.g. mafia criminals or terrorists, SWAT-like units (named NOCS the police unit and GIS the Carabinieri unit) are deployed.

gpderetta 5y ago
the (grim) joke in Italy being that any force that even remotely has some sort of police duties (and there are many), carries a gun, even glorified traffic wardens. But yes, machine guns and rifles are only carried by units on special duties, normally anti-terrorism (and unfortunately Italy has a long history of internal terrorism).

barsonme 5y ago

Ditto. In nearly 30 years of living in the US I can only ever recall seeing police officers patrolling with long guns twice: once when I visited the US capitol, and once at a big festival/parade thing in Bellevue, WA. Seeing the officer in Bellevue patrolling with a long gun was actually quite unsettling. Even though all police in the US are armed and most have a long gun in their vehicle, they very rarely carry them in public. Even at sporting events, airports, etc. Conversely, during the short period of time I spent in Germany and Austria I saw many police with long guns. (And that echoes my wife’s experiences in France and a couple other European countries.) They were primarily at airports and city centers, so it’s probably a terrorist thing. But it was very apparent—sort of how I imagine Brits feel when they visit a country with regularly armed police.

MagnumOpus 5y ago
It’s the bias of spending your life in unexciting places in the US, but visiting high-visibility terrorism targets (aka major tourist attractions, capitals, monuments and transport hubs) when abroad. Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s, but that the marines at local US embassy (which is a high value target) occasionally do…
- barsonme 5y ago
  I've been to plenty of transport hubs, tourist attractions, capitols, etc. in the US, too. Or maybe I've been fortunate in that all the police in all the high-visibility places I've visited in the US don't patrol carrying long guns. (And the only capitol I visited in Europe was Austria.) > Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s I understand this. And it wasn't part of my post :)
BrandoElFollito 5y ago
It is a "terrorist thing" and one of the goals is to make them visible.

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