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They also reported that model 3 sales in Europe for the month was just shy of 25k which is the first time an EV topped monthly sales. Renault Clio on spot #2 w

They also reported that model 3 sales in Europe for the month was just shy of 25k which is the first time an EV topped monthly sales. Renault Clio on spot #2 with 18k sold. Interesting considering the price of the tesla….

theshrike79 5y ago
I think people are doing the math on car TCO finally. If nothing goes wrong, the first two-three years are practically free for an EV. Home charging costs pennies and if you're really stingy you can use free public chargers. Then you might need a new set of tires maybe a quick maintenance at the dealership and you're good for a few years again.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  With Electricity prices topping $0.30/kWh in many places, this is no longer true... Unless you also have solar panels at home and want to have the hassles of making sure your EV only charges on sunny days, you're going to be paying rates for electricity close to rates for dinosaur-fuel, especially if you're comparing to a modern 60 mpg gas car.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    But even at those electricity prices, the cost per mile is still cheaper than with an ICE car. And fuel prices are going to raise further with higher carbon taxing.
  - petra 5y ago
    Which cars are 60 mpg?
    - aembleton 5y ago
      The aforementioned Renault Clio. https://www.parkers.co.uk/renault/clio/hatchback-2019/iconic-dci-85-5d/specs/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/renault/clio/hatchback-2019/iconic...
      - iso1210 5y ago
        That's 56mpg (American gallons are smaller). It's also a claimed number, real numbers tend to be about 70% of that, which would make it about 40mpg (US). https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/renault/clio-2013 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/renault/clio-2013
    - londons_explore 5y ago
      Most cars in Europe where fuel is much more expensive, and therefore manufacturers put a lot of effort into energy efficiency.
      - iso1210 5y ago
        60mpg (us) is 72mpg (uk), or 4l/100km. A Vauxhall Corsa may claim that[0], but I've got one at the moment as a rental and don't get anywhere near that, more like 45-50mpg (uk) - so about 40mpg (us). [0] https://www.parkers.co.uk/best-cars/most-economical-cars/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/best-cars/most-economical-cars/
  - jordanbeiber 5y ago
    Most charging takes place at night. At least where I am it’s a lot cheaper.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    The supermarket 5 minutes from my apartment just opened their chargers at 0.20€/kWh for 22kW charging and 0.25€/kWh for fast charging (50kW+). Still a hell of a lot cheaper than gas over here (coming up to 2€/litre in some places). Even diesel is over 1.8€/litre. At 15kWh/100km consumption it'd cost me under 4€ to drive 100km on my EV. My old Prius did around 5l/100km, which would be closer to 10€/100km.
- foepys 5y ago
  A family friend just got an increase from their electricity provider to 0.44€/kWh due to increased costs of gas and coal. Assuming 18kW/100km (including charging losses) that's 8€/100km. Not very far from gas prices at the moment.
NicoJuicy 5y ago
Check all the months. Tesla usually delivered them all in the same month/quarter as far as I'm aware. It leads to a misleading number if not averaged over the other months. > Normally, Tesla would deliver only a handful of cars during the first 2 months of a quarter and then deliver an incredible amount of cars during the last month a quarter. https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/tesla-sales-norway-surge-stabilize-delivery-issues/amp/ https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/tesla-sales-norway-surge-stab...

theshrike79 5y ago

I think people are doing the math on car TCO finally. If nothing goes wrong, the first two-three years are practically free for an EV. Home charging costs pennies and if you're really stingy you can use free public chargers. Then you might need a new set of tires maybe a quick maintenance at the dealership and you're good for a few years again.

londons_explore 5y ago
With Electricity prices topping $0.30/kWh in many places, this is no longer true... Unless you also have solar panels at home and want to have the hassles of making sure your EV only charges on sunny days, you're going to be paying rates for electricity close to rates for dinosaur-fuel, especially if you're comparing to a modern 60 mpg gas car.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  But even at those electricity prices, the cost per mile is still cheaper than with an ICE car. And fuel prices are going to raise further with higher carbon taxing.
- petra 5y ago
  Which cars are 60 mpg?
  - aembleton 5y ago
    The aforementioned Renault Clio. https://www.parkers.co.uk/renault/clio/hatchback-2019/iconic-dci-85-5d/specs/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/renault/clio/hatchback-2019/iconic...
    - iso1210 5y ago
      That's 56mpg (American gallons are smaller). It's also a claimed number, real numbers tend to be about 70% of that, which would make it about 40mpg (US). https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/renault/clio-2013 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/renault/clio-2013
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    Most cars in Europe where fuel is much more expensive, and therefore manufacturers put a lot of effort into energy efficiency.
    - iso1210 5y ago
      60mpg (us) is 72mpg (uk), or 4l/100km. A Vauxhall Corsa may claim that[0], but I've got one at the moment as a rental and don't get anywhere near that, more like 45-50mpg (uk) - so about 40mpg (us). [0] https://www.parkers.co.uk/best-cars/most-economical-cars/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/best-cars/most-economical-cars/
- jordanbeiber 5y ago
  Most charging takes place at night. At least where I am it’s a lot cheaper.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  The supermarket 5 minutes from my apartment just opened their chargers at 0.20€/kWh for 22kW charging and 0.25€/kWh for fast charging (50kW+). Still a hell of a lot cheaper than gas over here (coming up to 2€/litre in some places). Even diesel is over 1.8€/litre. At 15kWh/100km consumption it'd cost me under 4€ to drive 100km on my EV. My old Prius did around 5l/100km, which would be closer to 10€/100km.
foepys 5y ago
A family friend just got an increase from their electricity provider to 0.44€/kWh due to increased costs of gas and coal. Assuming 18kW/100km (including charging losses) that's 8€/100km. Not very far from gas prices at the moment.

NicoJuicy 5y ago

Check all the months. Tesla usually delivered them all in the same month/quarter as far as I'm aware. It leads to a misleading number if not averaged over the other months. > Normally, Tesla would deliver only a handful of cars during the first 2 months of a quarter and then deliver an incredible amount of cars during the last month a quarter. https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/tesla-sales-norway-surge-stabilize-delivery-issues/amp/ https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/tesla-sales-norway-surge-stab...