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If someone is hit by a car while jaywalking, the jaywalker is typically viewed as a victim, not a reckless hooligan who got what they deserved.

Ansil849 5y ago
Jaywalking is illegal in several jurisdictions. So no, the jaywalker is not just viewed as a victim. But yes, socially, of course like I said it is extremely sad to see, but also like I said...If someone made a choice to recklessly endanger themselves, then at some point personal responsibility needs to be taken into account.
- jwilber 5y ago
  Jaywalking isn’t super black and white, though. Someone jaywalking at night directly in front of a car is not the same as someone jaywalking in an empty town and getting hit by a speeding drunk driver. It also involves another party causing the death. The two seem extremely unrelated. Edit: that said I do agree in most cases drug addiction is self-inflicted and a personal responsibility issue. Unfortunately it has societal externalities.
- legutierr 5y ago
  Jaywalking was instituted as a crime after lobbying by car companies in order to shift the legal liability and moral culpability for pedestrian accidents away from drivers and onto the ordinary people going about their business who were being killed by cars. Your viewpoint with regards to jaywalking is the successful outcome of a propaganda campaign first instituted by people who have probably been dead now for nearly one hundred years.
  - Ansil849 5y ago
    So, I take it that you have never ridden in a car? And if you have, you've explicitly assumed responsibility for or complicity with, the potential taking of a life of a pedestrian? Is that what you are saying?
    - watwut 5y ago
      I live in a place where Jaywalking is not a crime. If there is no crossing within 50m or so, it is fully legal to cross the street. The driving looks like this: you observe speed limits and you watch for pedestrians. If you see one about to cross, you stop. The stories where someone crosses the street and is blamed for jaywalking, because there was crossing 2 miles away are completely bonkers to me.
    - legutierr 5y ago
      As far as I know, jaywalking is not a crime or a violation where I live. At least, no laws against it are ever enforced. It has never been a problem. Everyone just has to be observant and careful.
- kiba 5y ago
  The reason why people die to car accident is because the street are inherently dangerous for pedestrians.
  - Ansil849 5y ago
    Yes, and the reason people die to drug use is because drug use is inherently dangerous for people.
    - ogma 5y ago
      No, moron, the drug war makes it much more dangerous to be a drug user. Ever heard of fentanyl contamination? Do you think that would happen if these drugs were produced and distributed legally?

Ansil849 5y ago

Jaywalking is illegal in several jurisdictions. So no, the jaywalker is not just viewed as a victim. But yes, socially, of course like I said it is extremely sad to see, but also like I said...If someone made a choice to recklessly endanger themselves, then at some point personal responsibility needs to be taken into account.

jwilber 5y ago
Jaywalking isn’t super black and white, though. Someone jaywalking at night directly in front of a car is not the same as someone jaywalking in an empty town and getting hit by a speeding drunk driver. It also involves another party causing the death. The two seem extremely unrelated. Edit: that said I do agree in most cases drug addiction is self-inflicted and a personal responsibility issue. Unfortunately it has societal externalities.
legutierr 5y ago
Jaywalking was instituted as a crime after lobbying by car companies in order to shift the legal liability and moral culpability for pedestrian accidents away from drivers and onto the ordinary people going about their business who were being killed by cars. Your viewpoint with regards to jaywalking is the successful outcome of a propaganda campaign first instituted by people who have probably been dead now for nearly one hundred years.
- Ansil849 5y ago
  So, I take it that you have never ridden in a car? And if you have, you've explicitly assumed responsibility for or complicity with, the potential taking of a life of a pedestrian? Is that what you are saying?
  - watwut 5y ago
    I live in a place where Jaywalking is not a crime. If there is no crossing within 50m or so, it is fully legal to cross the street. The driving looks like this: you observe speed limits and you watch for pedestrians. If you see one about to cross, you stop. The stories where someone crosses the street and is blamed for jaywalking, because there was crossing 2 miles away are completely bonkers to me.
  - legutierr 5y ago
    As far as I know, jaywalking is not a crime or a violation where I live. At least, no laws against it are ever enforced. It has never been a problem. Everyone just has to be observant and careful.
kiba 5y ago
The reason why people die to car accident is because the street are inherently dangerous for pedestrians.
- Ansil849 5y ago
  Yes, and the reason people die to drug use is because drug use is inherently dangerous for people.
  - ogma 5y ago
    No, moron, the drug war makes it much more dangerous to be a drug user. Ever heard of fentanyl contamination? Do you think that would happen if these drugs were produced and distributed legally?