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YouTube Removes Bolsonaro's Lying About Covid Vaccine, Suspends for 1 Week

22 points by marcodiego 5y ago

cablm 5y ago
YouTube does not appear to censor Fauci for repeated deliberate misinformation and possible lying about gain of function funding.
- simonh 5y ago
  Even accepting your opinion on Fauci for a moment, the difference is that Bolsonaro's deception in these specific videos is a direct danger to millions of people right now. Deceiving or misleading the public is never acceptable, and Fauci did make some errors of judgement. In practice we often give a pass to those who's views align with our own to some degree or other. Nevertheless, some deceptions are a lot more dangerous and can have lethal consequences for a lot more people, for far grubbier and selfish reasons than others.
  - ajvs 5y ago
    It's not just his opinion, the NIH themselves admitted it [1] and the lab succeeded in making the coronavirus far more virulent: > EcoHealth and its Wuhan partner constructed novel chimeric SARS-related coronaviruses — artificial, lab-generated viruses that do not have counterparts circulating in nature — that exhibited 10,000 times enhanced viral load and two to four times enhanced pathogenicity in infection studies in mice engineered to display human receptors on their cells (‘humanized mice’).” It's equally if not more dangerous that the public has been deceived for so long about the true origin of the virus, because it's further ruined trust in the media, government and big tech by making this event highly politicised just because a few individuals in the US government wanted to hide their own crimes. [1] https://news.yahoo.com/bombshell-nih-letter-bat-coronavirus-064500240.html https://news.yahoo.com/bombshell-nih-letter-bat-coronavirus-...
    - JasonCannon 5y ago
      The true origin of the virus? I don't think anyone credible is claiming that the coronavirus that they supposedly did GoF research on is the same coronavirus that causes covid-19. Stop spreading blatant misrepresentations and political propaganda on hn.
    - simonh 5y ago
      Well no, as the article points out the NIH does not accept that interpretation and believes the research doesn't meet the criteria for being classified as gain of function under the relevant policy. Furthermore they were deceived by the researchers and at that point had not been given the research data, and the outcome was not expected or a goal of the funding anyway.
      - mk81 5y ago
        I feel so much better now. Think I'll go back to sleep.
        simonh 5y ago
        Well in this case we have a potential screwup, which doesn't seem to have had any consequences or to be directly related to the current crisis. On the other we have people wilfully lying, knowing that their lies will kill people, for their own political benefit.
- vibrato2 5y ago
  Indeed. I take this as an endorsement by Facebook that he is telling an inconvenient truth.
Pinegulf 5y ago
Pardon, but who is this?
- lovich 5y ago
  Executive branch(can’t remember their specific name) head of Brazil. His Covid stance has been similar to trump’s and made the news a few times during the pandemic because of the similarity. I presume this is considered newsworthy because it’s an indirect repudiation of trumpist stances on covid
  - throwaway210222 5y ago
    > I presume this is considered newsworthy because it’s an indirect repudiation of trumpist stances on covid Or - just perhaps - news about somewhere else on earth is newsworthy in its own right?
    - 8eye 5y ago
      some people are still obsessed with a cartoon villain, trump was an a representation of an underlining issue. i think most people who believe trump caused all the woes are fairly young and do not remember occupy wall street, trump showed up got voted in because of an underlining issue that has not gone away, i think once people realize that, which they will. they might actually be angry. unless of course they are not working class people or have never been raised by working class parents. they then may be insulated from normal everyday struggles like trying to provide for a family with a blue collar job, one that use to pay the bills. not everyone had the opportunity to get a college degree. but they are still important to our economy. ignore that as a politician or repeatedly lie to those people and chaos seems to ensue.
      - jjeaff 5y ago
        I haven't seen many people blame Trump for many of the broader issues at play (like those brought up back in Occupy times). I think the main criticism was that he was doing things to make it worse, or at the very least, doing nothing to make them better.
AzzieElbab 5y ago
The article makes it sound like Bolsonaro claimed that COVID vaccines cause AIDS. Had he gone completely off the rails and actually said that?
- Kaze404 5y ago
  Yes. He read an "article" from the garbage fire called Before It's News on his livestream, and when called out on it set his propaganda machine to try and convince everyone that the article he read was from a credible source (Exame, a known source in Brazil). That said, I wouldn't say this is him going completely off the rails. It seems like a natural evolution of the person he was from day one (when he joined congress in 1991).
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > I wouldn't say this is him going completely off the rails. It seems like a natural evolution I would interpret that as "he hasn't gone _suddenly_ of the rails, it's been a gradual natural evolution away from the rails. But here he is now, saying that COVID vaccines cause AIDS."
chadlavi 5y ago
One week, that'll certainly show him /s
villasv 5y ago
Same news, from a better known and local source (in PT_BR): https://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2021/10/25/youtube-live-bolsonaro.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2021/10/25/youtube-l...

22 points by marcodiego 5y ago

YouTube does not appear to censor Fauci for repeated deliberate misinformation and possible lying about gain of function funding.

simonh 5y ago
Even accepting your opinion on Fauci for a moment, the difference is that Bolsonaro's deception in these specific videos is a direct danger to millions of people right now. Deceiving or misleading the public is never acceptable, and Fauci did make some errors of judgement. In practice we often give a pass to those who's views align with our own to some degree or other. Nevertheless, some deceptions are a lot more dangerous and can have lethal consequences for a lot more people, for far grubbier and selfish reasons than others.
- ajvs 5y ago
  It's not just his opinion, the NIH themselves admitted it [1] and the lab succeeded in making the coronavirus far more virulent: > EcoHealth and its Wuhan partner constructed novel chimeric SARS-related coronaviruses — artificial, lab-generated viruses that do not have counterparts circulating in nature — that exhibited 10,000 times enhanced viral load and two to four times enhanced pathogenicity in infection studies in mice engineered to display human receptors on their cells (‘humanized mice’).” It's equally if not more dangerous that the public has been deceived for so long about the true origin of the virus, because it's further ruined trust in the media, government and big tech by making this event highly politicised just because a few individuals in the US government wanted to hide their own crimes. [1] https://news.yahoo.com/bombshell-nih-letter-bat-coronavirus-064500240.html https://news.yahoo.com/bombshell-nih-letter-bat-coronavirus-...
  - JasonCannon 5y ago
    The true origin of the virus? I don't think anyone credible is claiming that the coronavirus that they supposedly did GoF research on is the same coronavirus that causes covid-19. Stop spreading blatant misrepresentations and political propaganda on hn.
  - simonh 5y ago
    Well no, as the article points out the NIH does not accept that interpretation and believes the research doesn't meet the criteria for being classified as gain of function under the relevant policy. Furthermore they were deceived by the researchers and at that point had not been given the research data, and the outcome was not expected or a goal of the funding anyway.
    - mk81 5y ago
      I feel so much better now. Think I'll go back to sleep.
      - simonh 5y ago
        Well in this case we have a potential screwup, which doesn't seem to have had any consequences or to be directly related to the current crisis. On the other we have people wilfully lying, knowing that their lies will kill people, for their own political benefit.
vibrato2 5y ago
Indeed. I take this as an endorsement by Facebook that he is telling an inconvenient truth.

Pinegulf 5y ago

Pardon, but who is this?

lovich 5y ago
Executive branch(can’t remember their specific name) head of Brazil. His Covid stance has been similar to trump’s and made the news a few times during the pandemic because of the similarity. I presume this is considered newsworthy because it’s an indirect repudiation of trumpist stances on covid
- throwaway210222 5y ago
  > I presume this is considered newsworthy because it’s an indirect repudiation of trumpist stances on covid Or - just perhaps - news about somewhere else on earth is newsworthy in its own right?
  - 8eye 5y ago
    some people are still obsessed with a cartoon villain, trump was an a representation of an underlining issue. i think most people who believe trump caused all the woes are fairly young and do not remember occupy wall street, trump showed up got voted in because of an underlining issue that has not gone away, i think once people realize that, which they will. they might actually be angry. unless of course they are not working class people or have never been raised by working class parents. they then may be insulated from normal everyday struggles like trying to provide for a family with a blue collar job, one that use to pay the bills. not everyone had the opportunity to get a college degree. but they are still important to our economy. ignore that as a politician or repeatedly lie to those people and chaos seems to ensue.
    - jjeaff 5y ago
      I haven't seen many people blame Trump for many of the broader issues at play (like those brought up back in Occupy times). I think the main criticism was that he was doing things to make it worse, or at the very least, doing nothing to make them better.

AzzieElbab 5y ago

The article makes it sound like Bolsonaro claimed that COVID vaccines cause AIDS. Had he gone completely off the rails and actually said that?

Kaze404 5y ago
Yes. He read an "article" from the garbage fire called Before It's News on his livestream, and when called out on it set his propaganda machine to try and convince everyone that the article he read was from a credible source (Exame, a known source in Brazil). That said, I wouldn't say this is him going completely off the rails. It seems like a natural evolution of the person he was from day one (when he joined congress in 1991).
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > I wouldn't say this is him going completely off the rails. It seems like a natural evolution I would interpret that as "he hasn't gone _suddenly_ of the rails, it's been a gradual natural evolution away from the rails. But here he is now, saying that COVID vaccines cause AIDS."

chadlavi 5y ago

One week, that'll certainly show him /s

villasv 5y ago

Same news, from a better known and local source (in PT_BR): https://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2021/10/25/youtube-live-bolsonaro.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2021/10/25/youtube-l...