> It's pride, not love. And a pride that is essentially about avoiding shame; That has nothing to do with my rationale... I'm curious where you got that. If I

> It's pride, not love. And a pride that is essentially about avoiding shame; That has nothing to do with my rationale... I'm curious where you got that. If I give heroin to an addict, the only shame involved to me would be the personal feeling of shame from having caused harm to another human... So I think this response is a straw man that doesn't address my point.